Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Can I just be a little pedantic... your strength has not improve whilst "on it". All that's happened is that you're training and getting stronger, and you're getting extra macros/nutrition in your diet helping you recover or potentially and more likely, making up for a poor diet, or a diet lacking in everything you need.
 
scottomus0 said:
Just to let you guys know im starting my own supplement retailer! Snip

it will direct you to facebook as i havnt got the website up and running yet!!

If your interested in buying any supps drop me a message and let me see what price i can give you, also if you like my page you get 5% off and free delivery over £25

CHEERS! :D
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Have you got data sheets, and ratios of amino acid and AA profiles? Where are you purchasing your whey from and what mixes are you making? Interested in all the info.

I only buy supps with all those criteria available to me. :) Feel free to email me in trust. Or are you just a reseller?
 
I never remove the yolks - they're my favourite bit!

My annual 5kg bag of post work out whey is almost done! Since I don't always use a shake after a workout (I usually end up eating within an hour) it's lasting me ages.

I'm eating so well at the moment I haven't had or felt the need for much/any supplementation. I'm not trying to gain size really, just maintain the status quo. I think once i sort my work life out (work is **** at the moment and has been for the last 6 months) I may start training harder/better.

I still like to have some whey on standby though - it's weird. Even if I don't use it, I like to know it's there. I don't find it satisfying, or enjoy it (even the flavoured stuff) as my body just prefers good ol' food. However psychologically sometimes it feels as though it makes a difference - of course it does **** all as my diet is pretty good, but your head is crucial to your training in terms of perception and motivation and development.

I also just cannot be bothered to take them anymore these days, especially if you want to do it properly, there's so much **** to take to enhance / get a sympathetic effect that to me it feels like a waste. Undoubtedly this is down to my down turn in training, but even then I've been moving away from supps more and more.

Great for boosting some calories, and adding some nutrition though, don't get me wrong - I'm just fed up with so much of the BS attached with it, and all the "science" added to so many of the products - and adding the word "anabolic" to everything - ugh.
 
EAAs and OAKG and Creatine mixed together - it's almost more fun drinking your own puke from the toilet bowl.

When I was younger and more naive I thought, it tastes horrid - it must be good for me! :p
 
Do MY Protein do a sort of post work out, or proprietary blended whey?

i.e. whey with Creatine, Glutamine, HMB, Ribose and Leucine as part of it's stack, with a ratio of Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate and Milk Protein Concentrate, as well as containing multiple carbohydrate sources Oats, Maltodextrin, Dextrose??

If not, then it's fine, I'll just make up my usual stack, but buying all the ingredients is a faff. I'm going to be hitting the gym like a man possessed and I'm going to be keeping my food intake in check and so will need to bolster my diet with some shakes (yeah yeah I know...)

That stack works SO well as a recovery, but actually also just as a good shake in general - that I'm struggling to find anywhere that does it.
 
Hmmm ok none of those are particularly good enough for me, and don't like emulsifiers. I was keen to try some MP protein for the flavours just for the craic - but I'll stick to my friends :) Thanks though Tom.
 
I'm saving for a house and a wedding - so need to shop smart - and well, as I've always said, it's there to supplement, and I'm going to need to supplement my diet. I'll be hitting just shy of 3k cals - and that's going to cost me enough as it is, and there's 2 of us to feed. I'm justifying it... yup - but that's me being honest with you. :)
 
LiE said:
FF, that post workout shake sounds pretty immense, share the details? :p

I'm all about the 5% fat beef mince these days, 500g for £4.25p.
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As it's stated! Just mix it all up! Ratios belong to your bodyweight though - so you have to workout how much HMB/Leucine/Dextrose etc... you need. :) For the proteins I just do 1/3rd of each. :) Just buy it in bulk and mix 'em all up! Lasts me a good 6 months. :) For around £100 can't complain!
 
It's not very scientific - the theory is sustained release, and having carbs proteins and decent amino acids available. I guess a 40/30/20 ratio of proteins/carbs/AA - leaves 10 for sweetners/fats/other ingredients. :)
 
The only salient point is over consumption of protein - however, for it to really be an issue we are talking about getting a large amount of calories from your protein supplementation. I'd think that 7 shakes, plus his diet (which judging by his attitude would be crap) would lead him to being very dehydrated, and having a fairly high level of protein toxicity which is undoubtedly why he was irritable, and generally feeling like ****, and as such acting like a ****.
 
Just to throw the cat among the pigeons for all the high protein dieters - here's some research done on the 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight "myth" or gospel that has been touted for years....

• Tarnopolsky et al. (1992) observed no differences in whole body protein synthesis or indexes of lean body mass in strength athletes consuming either 0.64g/lb or 1.10g/lb over a 2 week period. Protein oxidation did increase in the high protein group, indicating a nutrient overload. <- key point IMO
• Waldberg et al. (1988) found that 0.73g/lb was sufficient to maintain positive nitrogen balance in cutting weightlifters over a 7 day time period.
• Tarnopolsky et al. (1988) found that only 0.37g/lb was required to maintain positive nitrogen balance in elite bodybuilders (over 5 years of experience, possible previous use of androgens) over a 10 day period. 0.45g/lb was sufficient to maintain lean body mass in bodybuilders over a 2 week period. The authors suggested that 0.55g/lb was sufficient for bodybuilders.
• Lemon et al. (1992) found no differences in muscle mass or strength gains in novice bodybuilders consuming either 0.61g/lb or 1.19g/lb over a 4 week period. Based on nitrogen balance data, the authors recommended 0.75g/lb.
• Hoffman et al. (2006) found no differences in body composition, strength or resting hormonal concentrations in strength athletes consuming either 0.77g/lb or >0.91g/lb over a 3 month period.
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Goes back to what I was saying in the other thread about oxidisation and nitrogen balance.

Additionally, the more advanced a trainer you are or the longer you have been training and gaining, you start to get a lot less increases in protein synthesis after a training session. As you develop more muscles (either pure bulk or deeper thicker muscles) and like the unfortunate fact that you get closer to your genetic limit, you have to accept that after every session less and less muscle is built :(. It kinda makes sense though doesn't it? The slower your body's ability to build muscle (as you become highly trained), the less protein your body is going to need for optimum muscle development.

It doesn't make sense if your body needed more protein to build less muscle! Also if you consider that that your body becomes increasingly good and efficient at protein metabolising.

Of course if you start pushing that genetic barrier artificially then we are opening a whole can of worms ;)
 
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Don't forget you still need to fuel what you HAVE, but my point still stands - you're just not going to be creating as much new muscle. :)

I'm not saying what I say is gospel, but having done a lot more reading into it recently, it seems to make sense to me. :)
 
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