Supplements the debate/discussion thread

LiE said:
Makes complete sense FF. I may look at a reworking my protein consumption.
I wonder how the body deals with periods of high protein then lower within a 7 day window.
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Good question, not entirely sure how quickly your body adapts to nitrogen balance and protein synthesis - I can't imagine it being a long process.
 
Syla5 said:
this really is making me want to review my diet, lower my protiens.

What are good foods to help replace the calorie drops. I currently have no nuts in my diet, but am pretty particular about which nuts i eat. Am i going to go wrong with just good old salted peanuts? help brining in those good fats as well.
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Any unsalted unroasted nuts are great. Almonds are among the best IMO. However I have a penchant for hazelnuts and brazil nuts.

Adding fats to your diet can help too.
 
Steedie said:
What's wrong with that? If I can afford it, I'll eat what I like

I really don't care how much protein I eat. I make sure I get 200g a day, and anything above that is purely because it's what I want to eat. I enjoy eating a 6oz steak every evening, is it necessary? No. Will it help me get bigger? Probably not. Does it make me happy? Hell yes it does.

Or should I eat 1g of protein per kg of bodyweight incase my kidneys split an atom and wipe out half of Europe?
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Your kidneys are beyond atomic - youd' wipe out the galaxy! ;)

No of course everyone can do what they want - and as you know I love you more than words and wasn't picking on you ;)

By establishing the facts people can make up their own minds.

All I'm saying is that, the focus on getting every g of protein to whatever broscience method of macro calculation that has been spouted is confusing, garbled and doesn't help.

People need a good diet, and GET THEIR ASSES TO THE ****ING GYM! End of. If you don't eat enough you won't grow. Eat well and go to the gym you will. Eat ****, and you'll grow but get fat too, eat good and clean and go to the gym will work even better.

All I'm after doing is getting some balance to people's lives, and make them realise that spending £1000s a year on proteins and other supps is not as necessary as people think. :)

Anyway, it's good to have a counter point of view!

Besides Steedie, you're a man beast.
 
Spot on - people need to make their own choices, and work things out for what works for them. All I'm giving is another side to the argument and giving you my take on ridiculously high levels of protein :) I'd rather eat too much protein than eat processed or refined carbs - on that I agree 100%"! :)

People need to make their own decisions and live their own lives.
 
I agree UE.

But what the debate is about is whether or not we need uber doses of protein - I argue that it's just not needed and it's just daft, and it does have potential detrimental effects.

If you're piling me into the skinny 20 (I wish I was still in my 20s) haribo mix eaters then you're being silly :p

However, I agree that people need to stop worrying and get their arses into the gym - end of. Couldn't agree more, and eat some decent amount of foods. However, too many people think, oh if I don't eat y*x divided by a^c amounts of proteins then they won't grow etc... unless you're on silly supps (;)) and training for hours every day for several years it doesn't apply to 99% of the people in general.

I can only use myself as an example, but I've never gone nuts on protein, I ate what I needed to recover, grow, and feed myself. Sure there was a bias towards protein and fats rather than **** carbs but that's not to say I was weighing everything and thinking "**** I'm skinny today cos I only had 4 tonnes of protein yesterday..."

I'm just a little fed up with all this "I MUST TAKE A SHAKE FOR ANABOLICS BRAH!!!".

What ever happened, to eating well, training like a mother****er, and sleeping like a king?
 
Health is important, and should be looked at before anything else - or at least along with a weight training programme. Sure, to be reasonable, and level headed taking lots of protein shakes aren't going to kill you, but so many people take them thinking, or believing the hype and the advertising, and I just find that pretty sad.

Someone at my gym said "I'm not growing, but I've bought this really good protein...." - yet his diet was about enough to feed an anorexic flea. EAT MORE ****ING FOOD! IT's that simple, and stop doing bro curls in the mirror.

People think it comes over night - it takes years (well it took me years as I spent ages experimenting, learning and taking steps forward and back) to get some good decent size/progress. That's the problem, people are so impatient they want fast results.
 
JaWalks said:
I'm coming towards the end of a 5kg tub of protein and really debating if I need to be having so much, if any.

I get 200g of protein daily from chicken, tuna and eggs. Then 4 scoops of protein powder on top of that.

Think I might just sack off the protein shakes and drink some milk instead.

I've just got the 2nd Edition of Wendlers 5/3/1 and in his NoV diet section he actually recommends 4 x 50g protein shakes per day!
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You're getting more than enough protein if you're getting 200g (that's more than enough especially at your weight - and I doubt you're 10% lean, and even so when you get more mass towards your genetic limit you need less protein anyway as you're not building new muscle) - ask yourself do you really need that shake? Or just cut down on other foods if you want to save money and use the shake accordingly. It's not a magic powder, it's just protein.
 
No. And to be honest that question doesn't even warrant an answer (not you apok davetrace. At 21 he will have tonnes of testosterone. Without doing a proper blood test he cannot state that he is low.

People always are after easy fixes. Eat and train hard. Stop with the sissy ******** exercises and start earning your muscle.
 
If a Dr has discovered he actually has low testosterone, the doctor can provide proper medication and diagnosis. Test boosters potentially can help older gentlemen in their 40s/50s... but even then the research is garbled and not compelling.

Go to the doctor, if you're really concerned. If not, stop making excuses and get to the gym and lift the ****ing weights and eat properly!
 
shifty_uk said:
Normally I'd agree with you FF. I've been taking a cup of coffee pre-workout for the past 3 years, actually following your own advice and prompted by discussions on here. It definitely helps. However, I'm working long hours trying to hit deadlines and I find I need that extra boost when it comes to training time on week nights. After trying Neurocore last night, it definitely gave me far more of a boost than my normal pre-workout coffee. Infact, the difference is fairly huge!

That's coming from someone who doesn't use supps at all, not even post-workout proteins, purely diet!

I can live with £23 for a tub!
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Ok that’s fair enough, and I see where you’re coming from. I work long hours/days too, and sometimes it’s almost impossible to get the motivation to get to the gym, however, having eaten well throughout the day, I’m often ok once I’m there, although yawning a lot. That’s why I like taking things like a banana to give a sustained bit of energy release.

LiE said:
I'm completely off caffeine now, feel so much better for it.
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I agree – came off caffeine for a while, and just drunk more water and felt amazing for it.

However, it does give a good boost – alternatively you can just eat some sweets and high GI if you want a sugar rush, however, you’re likely to crash too if you’re not careful.

I enjoy my coffee and tea too much :o
 
It's bloody stupid - taxing something which should be motivating people to get healthier. Although not a big supp user, it's about the fitness industry - I just hope they start taxing fast food and stupid **** food as well.
 
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