Supplements the debate/discussion thread

jordan282 · 8 Dec 2011 at 23:19

Mansize_tissue said:
While they're not bad, in the future it would be cheaper to get standard bulk protein powder and add other stuff as required. Post workout you could add a carb source such as ground oats (very cheap). Eating something right before bed isn't really necessary either, but if you wanted to have something just a standard protein shake would do. Even better, actual food (high in protein and fat, low carbs). In fact, EVEN better would be to skip that pre-bed snack and just eat more during the day.

what do you think your body does at night? rebuild muscle

Apok · 8 Dec 2011 at 23:23

Mansize_tissue said:
While they're not bad, in the future it would be cheaper to get standard bulk protein powder and add other stuff as required. Post workout you could add a carb source such as ground oats (very cheap). Eating something right before bed isn't really necessary either, but if you wanted to have something just a standard protein shake would do. Even better, actual food (high in protein and fat, low carbs). In fact, EVEN better would be to skip that pre-bed snack and just eat more during the day.

The main reason for a pre-bed snack is that usually, unless i have something to eat in the hour or so before i sleep, i wake either hungry or thirsty during the night.

i just thought i'd try the bedtime one, because i like the sounds of the ingredients.

davetrace1 · 9 Dec 2011 at 16:13

Been training with my friend who has been working out for about 3 years now, extremly huge, he suggested for me to buy T bullets? I looked on the internet and people are saying stupid results, like a stone added in one month. Any of you guys know what they are? Thanks

tom_e · 9 Dec 2011 at 16:18

davetrace1 said:
Been training with my friend who has been working out for about 3 years now, extremly huge, he suggested for me to buy T bullets? I looked on the internet and people are saying stupid results, like a stone added in one month. Any of you guys know what they are? Thanks

They're steroids, a mix of 2 very strong designer steroids. Not for the first time user and they come with unwanted side effects. If you do decide to use them do a lot of research first so you know what to expect and get a good PCT set up.
That's about as much as I can say on here without FF giving me a kick.

Cristian · 9 Dec 2011 at 16:20

Steedie said:
Don't get the tablets, waste of time! The dosages are so low and like you say, expensive.

That's the stuff I use. I buy 2 bottles at a time and that lasts the week

Bought the organic version -it's not that bad - I just sip from the bottle.

davetrace1 · 9 Dec 2011 at 16:21

tom_e said:
They're steroids, a mix of 2 very strong designer steroids. Not for the first time user and they come with unwanted side effects. If you do decide to use them do a lot of research first so you know what to expect and get a good PCT set up.
That's about as much as I can say on here without FF giving me a kick.

What is PCT?

tom_e · 9 Dec 2011 at 16:23

davetrace1 said:
What is PCT?

Post cycle therapy, it's important to bring your natural hormone levels back up once you finish

Skillmister · 9 Dec 2011 at 16:23

post cycle therapy

LiE · 9 Dec 2011 at 16:33

So many users these days, bad times

Still stronger than them

davetrace1 · 9 Dec 2011 at 16:56

Oh god, think I'll give T bullets a miss then!

tom_e · 9 Dec 2011 at 16:59

davetrace1 said:
Oh god, think I'll give T bullets a miss then!

Good plan unless you know exactly what you're getting into

Psycho Sonny · 9 Dec 2011 at 17:04

tom_e said:
They're steroids, a mix of 2 very strong designer steroids. Not for the first time user and they come with unwanted side effects. If you do decide to use them do a lot of research first so you know what to expect and get a good PCT set up.
That's about as much as I can say on here without FF giving me a kick.

if they are orally ingested it also means they are:

a) weaker than proper gear
b) more harmful to kidneys and liver than proper gear
c) more side effects than proper gear

basically only idiots use them

Mansize_tissue · 9 Dec 2011 at 20:31

jordan282 said:
what do you think your body does at night? rebuild muscle

What do you think takes absolutely hours to digest and absorb nutrients from? Food.

Even if your last meal is consumed 4-5 hours before you sleep, you'll still be reaping the benefits long into the night.

If you haven't already, I really recommend reading into IF (intermittent fasting). You spend the majority of your time in a fasted state and spend 6-8 hours (on average) per day in a fed state. It's good ****

LiE · 10 Dec 2011 at 11:50

Just ordered the MP new year bundle for £40, would be silly not to at that price.

mr.bond · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:07

Mansize_tissue said:
What do you think takes absolutely hours to digest and absorb nutrients from? Food.

Even if your last meal is consumed 4-5 hours before you sleep, you'll still be reaping the benefits long into the night.

If you haven't already, I really recommend reading into IF (intermittent fasting). You spend the majority of your time in a fasted state and spend 6-8 hours (on average) per day in a fed state. It's good ****

This IF thing, when is it best to start the eating cycle and train? Eg train then eat for your time allowance??
Or just pick a time slot regardless to eat and train whenever?
You'll have to excuse my knowledge on this type of stuff, it's less than basic at best!

Also, does this type of stuff actually work?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/goalnatural.htm
My job is desk based for 8-10 hours a day, manage a 30 minute walk to and from work and invested in some dumb bells recently (again basic stuff) am keen to know about how to best approach IF as above.
Cheers

tom_e · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:14

The first time in ages I've had literally no money and MP are doing all these awesome deals!

Fingers crossed they'll be doing some more over the next month or 2

Mansize_tissue · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:19

mr.bond said:
This IF thing, when is it best to start the eating cycle and train? Eg train then eat for your time allowance??
Or just pick a time slot regardless to eat and train whenever?
You'll have to excuse my knowledge on this type of stuff, it's less than basic at best!

Also, does this type of stuff actually work?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/goalnatural.htm
My job is desk based for 8-10 hours a day, manage a 30 minute walk to and from work and invested in some dumb bells recently (again basic stuff) am keen to know about how to best approach IF as above.
Cheers

I'd forget about those fat burners, it's money down the drain. There are illegal substances that'll do the trick but we aren't allowed to discuss them here. To be honest though you can achieve a hell of a lot naturally so just stick with it.

I made a post here about IF, then there's Lean Gains, but this article is by far the most concise guide if you want to learn the ins and outs in minutes.

I also sit at a desk for 9 hours a day, it's annoying but doesn't have to be a hindrance.

A few questions:

When do you start work?
Are you able to eat meals whilst at work?
When do you finish work?
When do you workout?
When do you go to bed?

Basically the most important things are that your biggest meal should be after training, and be high in protein and fat (as should every meal to be honest). Taper carb consumption down throughout the day, with almost none in your last meal.

If you could give me a rough idea of your diet at the moment that would helpful.

mr.bond · 10 Dec 2011 at 15:52

Mansize_tissue said:
I'd forget about those fat burners, it's money down the drain. There are illegal substances that'll do the trick but we aren't allowed to discuss them here. To be honest though you can achieve a hell of a lot naturally so just stick with it.

I made a post here about IF, then there's Lean Gains, but this article is by far the most concise guide if you want to learn the ins and outs in minutes.

I also sit at a desk for 9 hours a day, it's annoying but doesn't have to be a hindrance.

A few questions:

When do you start work?
Are you able to eat meals whilst at work?
When do you finish work?
When do you workout?
When do you go to bed?

Basically the most important things are that your biggest meal should be after training, and be high in protein and fat (as should every meal to be honest). Taper carb consumption down throughout the day, with almost none in your last meal.

If you could give me a rough idea of your diet at the moment that would helpful.

Hi, thanks for the info.
Start work at 08:00
Can eat during any part of the day
Finish work between 17:00 and 18:00 normally
Work out approx 18:30-19:00
Go to bed around 22:00

I've just started (last week) training, and only eating a meal in the evening (not really a snack person). During the day i drink water and black coffee. I've never been a big eater during the daytime but do have a large meal in the evening, either a pasta dish with salad and garlic bread, caserole of some sort, or fish and potatoes+ veg etc. normally eat quite well but the meal is normally quite large.

Steedie · 10 Dec 2011 at 16:02

The one meal that should be fat free is your post workout meal. If you're having a shake then you'll be ok as you'll be pushed to find a shake with a high fat content. But if you're eating food after the gym, avoid fats altogether as it slows digestion down and prevents the nutrients getting to your muscles as quickly as they need too

icecold · 10 Dec 2011 at 16:09

LiE said:
So many users these days, bad times
Still stronger than them