Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Steedie, while fat does slow the absorption of nutrients, it won't do so to the extent where you should avoid combining it with protein.

If anything the meal prior to working out is the one you should be worrying about, afterall that's the one that you'll actually be absorbing the nutrients from after you've finished working out.

Meals take hours and hours to digest fully. If you have a large meal prior to working out, even 3 or 4 hours before, what you eat after will be largely irrelevant as you'll still be reaping the benefits of the preworkout meal.



mr.bond, your day pans out pretty much exactly the same as mine. I'll give you an idea what I eat during the day.

1pm - 2 scoop protein shake (pea protein), ham & cheese sandwich (lots of ham, lots of cheese, burgen bread)
4pm - 2 scoop protein shake (whey protein), banana
6pm - 2 scoop protein shake (pea protein)
*training*
9pm - chicken breast wrapped in bacon, 4 sausages


As you can see, there's not much actual food there but that's because I'm poor and I'm cutting. When funds are better I usually skip on of the protein shakes I have at work and have another chicken breast wrapped in bacon, sometimes with cheese on top, and a peanut butter sandwich.

Basically what you need to understand is the quantity of protein you're currently consuming is probably no where near what it needs to be. Aim for around 200g of protein per day, 50-150g of fat (I usually have 100g) and less than 100g of carbs (in the above is around 80g I think).

That should give you a rough idea what you should be aiming for.
 
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I still believe that fat after a workout, certainly right after isn't a good idea. It may not slow it down drastically, but it slows it down enough. There is a reason that all post workout shakes are fat free.

I avoid fat in my pre and post workout meals. But I'm not saying you're wrong mate, nearly all areas of bodybuilding are subject to debate and whatever works for the individual.
 
No doubt, plus our bodies adapt to what we eat anyway to make best use of it so scrutinising macro-nutrient timings such as these to this degree is largely pointless as the real-world differences are trivial for the majority.

At the end of the day, as long as I've filled my macronutrient targets in my 8-hour window I'm happy as our bodies are very good at making sure we're getting a steady stream of nutrients throughout the day despite receiving food in 3 large lumps. Any further tweaks such as reducing carbs in the evening etc. are a bonus.
 
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Crikey your food during the day is way more than I have. What high Protein food do you recommend?
I take it I should also be going easier on the Pasta?
 
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In general stay away from simple carbs. These are broken down into glucose very easily hence enter your bloodstream in one big lump. Your body then lets a big load of insulin into the bloodstream to get rid of it all, the effects of which aren't ideal. Combining different food types, especially fats, slows down the absorption of nutrients, lowers insulin spikes and thus reduces fat gain. To put it simply.

Basically, if you must eat simple (high GI) carbs such as bread, pasta, rice etc. make sure you're consuming a fat source at the same time such as eggs, fatty meat, oils, nuts.
 
Dunno if posted but MP have a few deals on

We’ve got some great deals today which are all valid until 24th December.

50% OFF MP MAX ELLE TRUE DIET (DIET)

50% OFF MP MAX RECOVERY EVO (REVO)

33% OFF MP MAX TOTAL GAINER (TOTALG)

33% OFF MP MAX TOTAL PEPTIDE (TOTALP)

33% OFF MP MAX HURRICANE EVO (HEVO)

33% OFF MP MAX TRUE WHEY (TRUE)


Use the code in brackets to gain your discount!
 
Kempster said:
Dunno if posted but MP have a few deals on

We’ve got some great deals today which are all valid until 24th December.

50% OFF MP MAX ELLE TRUE DIET (DIET)

50% OFF MP MAX RECOVERY EVO (REVO)

33% OFF MP MAX TOTAL GAINER (TOTALG)

33% OFF MP MAX TOTAL PEPTIDE (TOTALP)

33% OFF MP MAX HURRICANE EVO (HEVO)

33% OFF MP MAX TRUE WHEY (TRUE)


Use the code in brackets to gain your discount!
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Are MP in trouble or something? Some of their offers right now are a little crazy.
 
Don’t think so if I remember correct seem to have quite a few offers on over xmas oh forgot to add think the offers are only valid for tubs but worth checking if it works on the pouches
 
PAz said:
Are MP in trouble or something? Some of their offers right now are a little crazy.
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They've just been taken over by "The hut" group who own Zavvi and a few other big retailers so I think they've now just got the financial power to put out some good deals, along with the fact there are a lot more cheap bulk suppliers popping up these days so they need to stand out.
With the MP Max stuff they are trying to clear their tubs out as they're switching over to pouches, due to cost and space I'd imagine although they tell us it's because they're better for us :D
 
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They've just been taken over by "The hut" group who own Zavvi and a few other big retailers so I think they've now just got the financial power to put out some good deals, along with the fact there are a lot more cheap bulk suppliers popping up these days so they need to stand out.
With the MP Max stuff they are trying to clear their tubs out as they're switching over to pouches, due to cost and space I'd imagine although they tell us it's because they're better for us :D
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iirc the more wastage a company has or the more it contributes to land fill, etc by using high amounts of plastic in their packaging, etc which cannot be recycled, the more tax they need to pay or are hit by fines, etc, or don't get tax breaks, basically the greener you are the better it is because you pay less to the government or something.

that's just something i heard, and the reason why supermarkets took away their plastic bags from the checkout and put them under the till, and you now need to ask for bags rather than just taking them, because supermarkets need to use less carrier bags, so they done the above to get more people to shift onto "bags for life" which are now in the same space the bags used to be in.

i don't know how accurate that is, but it seems plausible, their is probably a higher tax on plastic tubs being imported into this country or something, than plastic pouches.

pouches also weigh less, therefore less transportation costs, they also take up less space, so less transportation costs again as well as space costs.

i think in 5 years time, you will see a lot of milk being sold in pouches in supermarkets, and more expensive to buy in plastic jugs.
 
Are there any decent protein pill supplements? I've tried shakes and they're okay but being at boarding school I can only keep the bottles so clean and they do get to be quite a hassle. I can use shakes if necessary but I feel like pills would be more convenient for me as a supplement? I know they're low protein content and I would only be using them as supplements but I already take a load of pills for various things so it's really not much more of a hassle.
 
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Ksanti said:
Are there any decent protein pill supplements? I've tried shakes and they're okay but being at boarding school I can only keep the bottles so clean and they do get to be quite a hassle. I can use shakes if necessary but I feel like pills would be more convenient for me as a supplement? I know they're low protein content and I would only be using them as supplements but I already take a load of pills for various things so it's really not much more of a hassle.
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there are aminos in capsule form but you could also make your own protein capsules with a capping kit.

it would be an extreme pain though as you would likely need to take 10 capsules to get the same amount you could get from 1 shake.

end up costing you a lot too in capsules i would bet.

you could just order some jerky? or biltong?
 
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