Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Steedie said:
I have told him about it :p
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Hehe, i still need all the supplements above even with the replacement meal as oppose to the shake ;)

Notice there is no Amino tablets in that order :cool:

1 x Gold Standard 100% Whey (morning)
1 x Gold Standard 100% Casein (bedtime)
1 x Fish Oil Enteric Coated Fish Oil Softgels (through day, keeping those fat's high)
1 x Platinum Hydrobuilder (Post)
1 x Essential Amino Energy (pre-workout plus was free when i ordered Hydrobuilder :D)
 
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kai said:
Currently using HydroBuilder - optimum nutrition new "all in one product"

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Anyone else using this yet?
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That ingredient list!! :/
 
kai said:
Can you expand?
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If you're spending that much on "premium" brands, I'd expect there to be less crap in there, lots of flavourings, stabilisers, and artificial additives to bulk it out and also help your body digest it and act as a catalyst for absorption which to me just seems daft.

I'd rather just buy separate items and mix them together (essentially all you need is protein, creatine and AAs) rather than have something so over processed.

However, if it works for you - then go for it. I'm hardly one to offer advice as I seldom use any supplements. :)
 
Thinking of taking a mass gainer for a month alongside a reasonably decent diet but I really struggle to get the calories in to put much mass on. I am always in and out of appointments and rarely have time to eat 3 meals between 9 and 5.

I spoke to someone at the gym and they said it might be worth having a mass gain shake mid morning and not to have one late on due to the high calories?

Is this something you would recommend?
 
I'd recommend trying to eat where you can.

Failing that, drink full-fat milk where you can, along side some instant oats in the shakes. If you're still struggling (which you shouldn't be if drinking 3 pints of full fat milk a day or so) then yeah, maybe :p
 
Mark M said:
Thinking of taking a mass gainer for a month alongside a reasonably decent diet but I really struggle to get the calories in to put much mass on. I am always in and out of appointments and rarely have time to eat 3 meals between 9 and 5.

I spoke to someone at the gym and they said it might be worth having a mass gain shake mid morning and not to have one late on due to the high calories?

Is this something you would recommend?
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http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html

Scroll down to number 10 :)
 
Nice one, so I can gorge like a king in the evenings again!

Maybe I should lower my morning food but up my evening food? :p
 
Well, it's all about the fasting period. Lowers glycogen and increases insulin sensitivity - however you should be working to increase your insulin sensitivity as much as possible anyway ;)

So if you have dinner at 8pm, and don eat breakfast till 8am you've fasted for 12hrs. Even if you fast for 8-10hrs it's still the start of a good fasted period, as such stuffing my face at breakfast is more viable for me, and I like having the energy.

Also it depends on your training style. I'm after strength and power, as such training fasted is of less importance/interest to me. He also states himself that training fasted isn't ideal for weightlifting/muscle development.


In conclusion, training in the fasted state does not affect your performance during weight training, which is what most people reading this are interested in. However, training in a completely fasted state is still not something I recommend for optimal progress. Research is quite clear on the benefits of pre-workout and post-workout protein intake for maximizing protein synthesis. For this reason, I suggest supplementing with 10 g BCAA prior to fasted training.
 
Freefaller said:
Well, it's all about the fasting period. Lowers glycogen and increases insulin sensitivity - however you should be working to increase your insulin sensitivity as much as possible anyway ;)

So if you have dinner at 8pm, and don eat breakfast till 8am you've fasted for 12hrs. Even if you fast for 8-10hrs it's still the start of a good fasted period, as such stuffing my face at breakfast is more viable for me, and I like having the energy.

Also it depends on your training style. I'm after strength and power, as such training fasted is of less importance/interest to me. He also states himself that training fasted isn't ideal for weightlifting/muscle development.
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No idea how insulin levels work, so i'm screwed there :)

I guess, I try and not eat much later than 8 but sometimes it happens...I then tend to eat between 7 and 8am...

Well, he may say that, but his other claim is that you lose BF while building muscle following his program =/

EDIT: Saw your edit, indeed he still takes the supps, just not food :)
 
He has one routine which is basically eat lunch, and a pre workout meal which equates to 50% of your calories, and then post work out the rest of your calories. Whilst I'm commited to this, eating 50% of my daily calories in one sitting is just not feasible! It's a ridiculous amount to be eating in one go, and I hate going to bed on a full stomach. So it's not for me.

It's one of a million ways of training and tweaking your hormonal balances - it's not better or worse than other methods, it's just a way of doing it. :)
 
Freefaller said:
He has one routine which is basically eat lunch, and a pre workout meal which equates to 50% of your calories, and then post work out the rest of your calories. Whilst I'm commited to this, eating 50% of my daily calories in one sitting is just not feasible! It's a ridiculous amount to be eating in one go, and I hate going to bed on a full stomach. So it's not for me.

It's one of a million ways of training and tweaking your hormonal balances - it's not better or worse than other methods, it's just a way of doing it. :)
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Indeed! :)

Still working out what works for me, my current setup is letting me gain weight, but if i'm honest im feeling a tad unhealthy as of late
 
The thing to do is to stick something for a good 6 months, as a control not chaging anything and monitoring. Then switch it up. Repeat, adn so on. It's taken years of experimenting for me... I'm still learning and still not always happy with how I'm getting on!
 
I tried IF, but there was just no way I could eat 50-60% of my calories in 1 sitting just as FF said. The only reason I considered it was because I don't really like eating breakfast and often have no appetite. I'm considering trying to switch to some kind of friend breakfast for a more interesting start to the day sausages, bacon, eggs and mushrooms.
 
@Freefaller:
Indeed :) I've been training on and off, and my current routine along with my diet seems to be doing well so far, which reminds me, I need to consult some of you guys soon really.

LiE said:
I tried IF, but there was just no way I could eat 50-60% of my calories in 1 sitting just as FF said. The only reason I considered it was because I don't really like eating breakfast and often have no appetite. I'm considering trying to switch to some kind of friend breakfast for a more interesting start to the day sausages, bacon, eggs and mushrooms.
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For breakfast I just have three sausages with two poached eggs currently, along with 3/4 pint of full-fat milk, two scoops of whey (50g I think?) and a wodge of Instant oats for flavoring. Seems to be doing the trick anyway.

Used to have a slice of toast with Nutella on as well, but stopped that for the time being as I was exceedingly bloated each morning
 
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