Supplements the debate/discussion thread

I think I may be OK with 190g/day for 4 days a week, 160g for 1 day and below 100g for 2 days.
 
this really is making me want to review my diet, lower my protiens.

What are good foods to help replace the calorie drops. I currently have no nuts in my diet, but am pretty particular about which nuts i eat. Am i going to go wrong with just good old salted peanuts? help brining in those good fats as well.
 
Salt will just make you start to retain water. I'd personally just up your clean sources of carbs and add oil to meals :)
 
Syla5 said:
this really is making me want to review my diet, lower my protiens.

What are good foods to help replace the calorie drops. I currently have no nuts in my diet, but am pretty particular about which nuts i eat. Am i going to go wrong with just good old salted peanuts? help brining in those good fats as well.
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Any unsalted unroasted nuts are great. Almonds are among the best IMO. However I have a penchant for hazelnuts and brazil nuts.

Adding fats to your diet can help too.
 
MoNkeE said:
Salt will just make you start to retain water. I'd personally just up your clean sources of carbs and add oil to meals :)
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carbs are already clean and i already have good oil twice a day + a coulpe of omega tabs. I was going to add good oil to my evening meal as well, but am open to the option of nuts instead.

Freefaller said:
Any unsalted unroasted nuts are great. Almonds are among the best IMO. However I have a penchant for hazelnuts and brazil nuts.

Adding fats to your diet can help too.
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I am going to give walnuts a bash as i am not a fan of almonds
 
lol guys,

This thread is now about protein hysteria. Seriously, stfu and carry on with what you're doing. As long as you're not being ridiculous, you're not going to do yourself any harm.

No-one needs to be eating more than 200-220g of protein a day anyway, so aim for that number. I eat 300g or around a day, not because I feel I need too, but because I personally enjoy eating meat, so would rather fill my calories up with protein than more carbs (I'm already on 450g) and more fats. My kidneys haven't fallen out of my backside yet, and I don't feel any ill effects of strained kidneys

That's why too many people on this forum don't make the progress they should do, too busy worrying about every little detail far too much. "Omg form", "omg diet", "omg shoes" when really you should just be focusing your efforts on having a productive workout. Bodybuilding isn't rocket science, "Eat, Lift, Sleep". It can be a very detailed and very scientific hobby if you want it to be, but doesn't mean it has to be. You think all the guys in the "golden age" of bodybuilding had access to all the knowledge we had today, nope but they had pretty damn impressive results (in b4 "omg roids")
 
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Steedie said:
lol guys,

This thread is now about protein hysteria. Seriously, stfu and carry on with what you're doing. As long as you're not being ridiculous, you're not going to do yourself any harm.

No-one needs to be eating more than 200-220g of protein a day anyway, so aim for that number. I eat 300g or around a day, not because I feel I need too, but because I personally enjoy eating meat, so would rather fill my calories up with protein than more carbs (I'm already on 450g) and more fats. My kidneys haven't fallen out of my backside yet, and I don't feel any ill effects of strained kidneys

That's why too many people on this forum don't make the progress they should do, too busy worrying about every little detail far too much. "Omg form", "omg diet", "omg shoes" when really you should just be focusing your efforts on having a productive workout. Bodybuilding isn't rocket science, "Eat, Lift, Sleep". It can be a very detailed and very scientific hobby if you want it to be, but doesn't mean it has to be. You think all the guys in the "golden age" of bodybuilding had access to all the knowledge we had today, nope but they had pretty damn impressive results (in b4 "omg roids")
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What's wrong with that? If I can afford it, I'll eat what I like

I really don't care how much protein I eat. I make sure I get 200g a day, and anything above that is purely because it's what I want to eat. I enjoy eating a 6oz steak every evening, is it necessary? No. Will it help me get bigger? Probably not. Does it make me happy? Hell yes it does.

Or should I eat 1g of protein per kg of bodyweight incase my kidneys split an atom and wipe out half of Europe?
 
Steedie : I agree with what you've written except where you say that good form isnt important. Not least, good form is vital to avoid an injury. (imaging doing a deadlift with a bent back!) but i've also seen enough people wasting their time just swinging their arm back and forth trying to do Tricep kickbacks or swinging their entire upper body back and forth doing bicep curls.
 
I totally agree good form is important, just I think on this forum some people worry a little too much about it. To the point they're holding back their lifts by worrying on losing on the worlds most perfect form
 
TruffleShuffle said:
Steedie : I agree with what you've written except where you say that good form isnt important. Not least, good form is vital to avoid an injury. (imaging doing a deadlift with a bent back!) but i've also seen enough people wasting their time just swinging their arm back and forth trying to do Tricep kickbacks or swinging their entire upper body back and forth doing bicep curls.
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There's a difference between not bending back and ensuring every stage of the lift is inch and degree perfect by sitting on 30kg DLs for 6 months.
 
Steedie said:
What's wrong with that? If I can afford it, I'll eat what I like

I really don't care how much protein I eat. I make sure I get 200g a day, and anything above that is purely because it's what I want to eat. I enjoy eating a 6oz steak every evening, is it necessary? No. Will it help me get bigger? Probably not. Does it make me happy? Hell yes it does.

Or should I eat 1g of protein per kg of bodyweight incase my kidneys split an atom and wipe out half of Europe?
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Your kidneys are beyond atomic - youd' wipe out the galaxy! ;)

No of course everyone can do what they want - and as you know I love you more than words and wasn't picking on you ;)

By establishing the facts people can make up their own minds.

All I'm saying is that, the focus on getting every g of protein to whatever broscience method of macro calculation that has been spouted is confusing, garbled and doesn't help.

People need a good diet, and GET THEIR ASSES TO THE ****ING GYM! End of. If you don't eat enough you won't grow. Eat well and go to the gym you will. Eat ****, and you'll grow but get fat too, eat good and clean and go to the gym will work even better.

All I'm after doing is getting some balance to people's lives, and make them realise that spending £1000s a year on proteins and other supps is not as necessary as people think. :)

Anyway, it's good to have a counter point of view!

Besides Steedie, you're a man beast.
 
Steedie said:
lol guys,

This thread is now about protein hysteria. Seriously, stfu and carry on with what you're doing. As long as you're not being ridiculous, you're not going to do yourself any harm.

No-one needs to be eating more than 200-220g of protein a day anyway, so aim for that number. I eat 300g or around a day, not because I feel I need too, but because I personally enjoy eating meat, so would rather fill my calories up with protein than more carbs (I'm already on 450g) and more fats. My kidneys haven't fallen out of my backside yet, and I don't feel any ill effects of strained kidneys

That's why too many people on this forum don't make the progress they should do, too busy worrying about every little detail far too much. "Omg form", "omg diet", "omg shoes" when really you should just be focusing your efforts on having a productive workout. Bodybuilding isn't rocket science, "Eat, Lift, Sleep". It can be a very detailed and very scientific hobby if you want it to be, but doesn't mean it has to be. You think all the guys in the "golden age" of bodybuilding had access to all the knowledge we had today, nope but they had pretty damn impressive results (in b4 "omg roids")
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Good post. I was thinking the same myself but couldn't be arsed to post cos I didn't want to open up a can of worms. My protein intake varies from 200g-300g depending on how many cals I'm taking in and whether its a training day or whatever.

I eat high fat/protein and low/moderate carb not because I think getting loads of protein is vital, but because I'm experimenting with low carb.

I think it's funny that one person posts up a study or two and everyone is planning on cutting down their protein. BTW I have much (internet) respect for FF so that isn't a diss in anyway.

I bet there are more people messing up their bodies by eating too many poor quality carbs and ****** processed foods than there are from eating too much protein.
 
Spot on - people need to make their own choices, and work things out for what works for them. All I'm giving is another side to the argument and giving you my take on ridiculously high levels of protein :) I'd rather eat too much protein than eat processed or refined carbs - on that I agree 100%"! :)

People need to make their own decisions and live their own lives.
 
ChroniC said:
It so little fuss though, it takes longer to shake something that run that into a glass hold for 5 seconds then take out.
However I cannot drink one with lumps, makes me want to barf.
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You completely misunderstood my point. I'm saying that, essentially, nobody needs to worry about taking too much protein.

Unless you are an idiot, but then you have other problems.
Steedie said:
lol guys,

This thread is now about protein hysteria. Seriously, stfu and carry on with what you're doing. As long as you're not being ridiculous, you're not going to do yourself any harm.

No-one needs to be eating more than 200-220g of protein a day anyway, so aim for that number. I eat 300g or around a day, not because I feel I need too, but because I personally enjoy eating meat, so would rather fill my calories up with protein than more carbs (I'm already on 450g) and more fats. My kidneys haven't fallen out of my backside yet, and I don't feel any ill effects of strained kidneys

That's why too many people on this forum don't make the progress they should do, too busy worrying about every little detail far too much. "Omg form", "omg diet", "omg shoes" when really you should just be focusing your efforts on having a productive workout. Bodybuilding isn't rocket science, "Eat, Lift, Sleep". It can be a very detailed and very scientific hobby if you want it to be, but doesn't mean it has to be. You think all the guys in the "golden age" of bodybuilding had access to all the knowledge we had today, nope but they had pretty damn impressive results (in b4 "omg roids")
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+1

I sit between 160g and 200g almost every day, and will continue to do so.
 
Health is an important aspect of going to the gym, so if for any reason I am causing my body any long term damage that I can prevent, I'm all ears.
 
LiE said:
Health is an important aspect of going to the gym, so if for any reason I am causing my body any long term damage that I can prevent, I'm all ears.
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I'm by no means an expert but i was reading this yesterday

This study investigated body-builders (BB) and other well-trained athletes (OA) with high and medium protein intake, respectively, in order to shed light on this issue. The athletes underwent a 7-day nutrition record analysis as well as blood sample and urine collection to determine the potential renal consequences of a high protein intake. The data revealed that despite higher plasma concentration of uric acid and calcium, Group BB had renal clearances of creatinine, urea, and albumin that were within the normal range. The nitrogen balance for both groups became positive when daily protein intake exceeded 1.26 g.kg but there were no correlations between protein intake and creatinine clearance, albumin excretion rate, and calcium excretion rate. To conclude, it appears that protein intake under 2.8g.kg does not impair renal function in well-trained athletes as indicated by the measures of renal function used in this study
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