Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Delvis · 17 Sep 2012 at 20:20

Good luck with that

would make sense though

mrthingyx · 18 Sep 2012 at 02:58

Freefaller said:
It's bloody stupid - taxing something which should be motivating people to get healthier. Although not a big supp user, it's about the fitness industry - I just hope they start taxing fast food and stupid **** food as well.

Just go and buy that 'Thermobol' stuff or whatever it's called... basically, "weightloss assistance" protein. Then - according to the legislation - that stuff will be VAT-free.

No idea why weightloss stuff is still zero-rated, yet sports nutrition is standard. It's dumb, and even by their own calculations, with only net the Exchequer aronud £5m/year.

tom_e · 18 Sep 2012 at 08:57

Freefaller said:
It's bloody stupid - taxing something which should be motivating people to get healthier. Although not a big supp user, it's about the fitness industry - I just hope they start taxing fast food and stupid **** food as well.

But MPs like their pasties so as we've seen that tax gets scrapped :rolleyes:

Steedie · 18 Sep 2012 at 09:06

So surely all supplement companies could claim it's a weight loss aid and get around the tax

Delvis · 18 Sep 2012 at 09:22

Steedie said:
So surely all supplement companies could claim it's a weight loss aid and get around the tax

I've not looked at the diet whey, but whats the difference? Standard whey hardly has much fat in it anyway?

Let alone calories

'Wes · 18 Sep 2012 at 09:32

Protein as a whole can help with fat loss, so as long as you remain in a deficit and it has been known to increase your metabolic rate due to digesting protein, so it can be labelled as a fat loss product.

Boom! Have some MP's!

Chris1712 · 18 Sep 2012 at 11:01

Trying to find a capsule/pill based pre-workout, any thoughts on these?

http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/shop-by-category/pre-workout-supplements/complete-nitric-oxide.html
http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/shop-by-category/pre-workout-supplements/complete-stimulant.html

I'm thinking the first one combined with a 250mg caffeine (already got these).

mrthingyx · 18 Sep 2012 at 17:02

Steedie said:
So surely all supplement companies could claim it's a weight loss aid and get around the tax

They could. Or they could just hike their margins up by 20% and claim their hands are tied?

I wonder which one they'd choose...

mrthingyx · 18 Sep 2012 at 17:07

Chris1712 said:
Trying to find a capsule/pill based pre-workout, any thoughts on these?

http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/shop-by-category/pre-workout-supplements/complete-nitric-oxide.html
http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/shop-by-category/pre-workout-supplements/complete-stimulant.html

I'm thinking the first one combined with a 250mg caffeine (already got these).

First one sounds like typical supplement company BS.

Second actually sounds interesting. That much caffeine in a tablet is bound to do at least something, and the DMAE compound apparently acts in a similar manner to DMAA, so might also actually do something (acording to Wikipedia, studies suggest an increase in mood and alertness).

Paul11 · 19 Sep 2012 at 08:30

mrthingyx said:
They could. Or they could just hike their margins up by 20% and claim their hands are tied?

I wonder which one they'd choose...

but adding VAT wont get them any extra margin as they have to give it to the tax man

20% more cost to us, no benefit for the company selling them

mrthingyx · 19 Sep 2012 at 08:57

Paul11 said:
but adding VAT wont get them any extra margin as they have to give it to the tax man

20% more cost to us, no benefit for the company selling them

I'm guessing you missed my point.

If a product is marketed as a "weight loss" aid (i.e. meal replacement shake), then it is VAT exempt.

However, do you think supplement companies will try and get around the VAT ruling by pimping products as "supporting weight loss," or just hike the prices on stuff that is exempt anyway, and claiming "it's the taxman's fault?"

Sure, they won't have the VAT split at the till, but who can honestly say they check that every time they buy stuff online? I know I don't.

Paul11 · 19 Sep 2012 at 09:48

ahhh, i got you now

mrthingyx · 19 Sep 2012 at 10:47

Apologies for not explaining it properly in the first instance.

Anyway, of greater concern is the probability that supplement companies will use the VAT increase to load the basic price, too.

Meaning that instead of costing £10 pre-VAT, and £12 inc. VAT, I very much suspect the respective companies to go all in for the whole +5/10% on the basic price and ratchet up the cost in a 'hidden' manner.

That will make it even more painful.

Delvis · 19 Sep 2012 at 10:51

It's already raised loads over the last year or two, bloody annoying.

Try and stay healthy, and you just get bombarded

stiv121 · 21 Sep 2012 at 11:10

Looking to stock up on protein before the tax comes in and came across this...

http://www.superfit.co.uk/proform-sports-pro-form100-protein-10kg-380-servings.html#

10kg of protein for £67. Seems a little too good to be true here are the ingredients...

Per 100g
Moisture (Loss on drying) 7.4g
Protein 83.3g
Total Fat 1.2g
Total Carbohydrate (by difference) 3.6g
Total Dietary Fibre (AOAC) <0.5g
Available Carbohydrate (by difference) 3.6g

Per 100g
Energy 358kcal
Energy 1522kJ
Total Sugars (expressed as glucose) 0.5g
Sodium 1.42g
Saturated Fatty Acids 0.68g
Monosaturated Fatty Acids 0.38g
Polyunaturated Fatty Acids 0.12g

Ingredients

Protein Matrix Blend: (Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Soy Protein Isolate and Casein 90.23%), Cocoa Powder 6.00%, Chocolate Flavour 3.30%, Sucralose 0.47%. Suitable for vegetarians.

Is this stuff really much differen't from the MPs?

Tefal · 22 Sep 2012 at 12:07

Delvis said:
They whey yes, primarily for my post workout, I also have one scoop in the morning.

I've said it a million times but, my money situation is always on the brink of going in to debt, so buying the whey works out a bit cheaper normally than buying the extra food.

The casein, I take that instead of eating something at 10pm

Great

could always eat a pot of low fat cottage cheese, cheap and is like 40g protein to 1-2g fat.

Tefal · 22 Sep 2012 at 12:14

Anyone else think this is because they expect to see a big spike in sports drinks/protein etc after driving everyone to be "healthier" after the olympics?

i might just be reading too far into it though.

Skillmister · 22 Sep 2012 at 12:15

Whey is always going to work out better.

Edit: maths fail, but it still is

Cottage cheese - 100g - 25p - 70cal 9.6g protein

MP flavoured whey - 25g - 27p - 100cal 20g protein

Begbie · 22 Sep 2012 at 12:41

stiv121 said:
Looking to stock up on protein before the tax comes in and came across this...

http://www.superfit.co.uk/proform-sports-pro-form100-protein-10kg-380-servings.html#

10kg of protein for £67. Seems a little too good to be true here are the ingredients...

Per 100g
Moisture (Loss on drying) 7.4g
Protein 83.3g
Total Fat 1.2g
Total Carbohydrate (by difference) 3.6g
Total Dietary Fibre (AOAC) <0.5g
Available Carbohydrate (by difference) 3.6g

Per 100g
Energy 358kcal
Energy 1522kJ
Total Sugars (expressed as glucose) 0.5g
Sodium 1.42g
Saturated Fatty Acids 0.68g
Monosaturated Fatty Acids 0.38g
Polyunaturated Fatty Acids 0.12g

Ingredients

Protein Matrix Blend: (Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Soy Protein Isolate and Casein 90.23%), Cocoa Powder 6.00%, Chocolate Flavour 3.30%, Sucralose 0.47%. Suitable for vegetarians.

Is this stuff really much differen't from the MPs?

Doesn't seem it. Damn that's cheap!

decmatt · 23 Sep 2012 at 00:43

I am looking to re-buy Jack3d but cannot find it anywhere... Whats happened?