Supplements the debate/discussion thread

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Great service from powerbody.co.uk.
 
Unfortunately even with that sale their products are still pretty expensive!

:Edit: This is probably the best value on there from what I can see http://www.sportpursuit.com/sales/m...-orange-24-x-60g-bars-sell-by-date-31-12-2012

Actually not bad value at all, comparing it with Myprotein.com's bars they are different nutritionally in that they offer a third less protein, but are half the price!

Cheers for the heads up broseph.
 
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i've recently signed up on there, some stuff is still expensive but then others are good value.

only buy the good value stuff and you win :p
 
URGH! Unflavoured Whey and Oats...

(I ran out of nesquik last night...)

Had to throw in a shot of apple squash to make it slightly less urgh to taste (tried it unflavoured first...)

kd
 
LiE said:
The feedback from people taking craze say how amazing it is. It's touted as not being massively reliant on caffeine either as ice mentioned.
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My fundamental problem with 'colloquial' feedback stems from some of the bro-science out there, whereby (for example):

- gym-goers will take beta alanine in doses that are too high, get parasthesia as a result, and mistake it for 'energy' in their workout;
- people taking pre-workout supplements and mistaking the effects of shedloads of caffeine for ingredients like citrulline malate (which does actually work over a period of weeks to improve aerobic fitness and exercise capacity), creatine, etc.

I'm not disputing the claims that Craze works at all, but that a lot of the stuff they stick in it does not have any evidence to support it doing what they claim, over and above the caffeine (the tyramine analogue, NMT, just increases blood pressure, for example, yet is claimed to potentially maybe perhaps increase focus in rats... go figure).

If there is a 'mystery' ingredient that they don't declare, then great, and if people find it really works for them, then even better. However, the placebo effect will probably have a very strong influence over this, so I remain unconvinced about the actual benefits.

However, as always, I am very happy to eat my hat if there is anything over and above colloquial opinion in these matters.
 
@mrthingyx - appreciate your input, very insightful. I took craze last night and it certainly did provide some good benefits over my normal pre-workout coffee. I was a lot more focused, energy was up and rest times were reduced. Down sides were reduced appetite after training (some people like this on a cut) and I did have a little more difficulty going to sleep.
 
LiE said:
@mrthingyx - appreciate your input, very insightful. I took craze last night and it certainly did provide some good benefits over my normal pre-workout coffee. I was a lot more focused, energy was up and rest times were reduced. Down sides were reduced appetite after training (some people like this on a cut) and I did have a little more difficulty going to sleep.
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*chuckles* :)

Likewise, I find your input insightful, too, simply because you've been working out for a long time and so (I'm assuming!) have a good idea of what does and does not work for you (in other words, I trust your opinion more than 'joe average'). :D
 
LiE said:
@mrthingyx - appreciate your input, very insightful. I took craze last night and it certainly did provide some good benefits over my normal pre-workout coffee. I was a lot more focused, energy was up and rest times were reduced. Down sides were reduced appetite after training (some people like this on a cut) and I did have a little more difficulty going to sleep.
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Hmmm, I've found I lost my appetite recently. Not just when I take PWO though, possibly could be though affects from days before?

Very doubtful mind, still chucking food down regardless though.
 
I've noticed a decrease in appetite as the week goes on. I've put it down to training hard and recovery.
 
LiE said:
You should try some and decide for yourself ;)
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Should do for the ultimate self-experimentation, but am not willing to drop £30/whatever for something that isn't significantly different from what I already have (Pro Plus, beta-alanine, creatine and sugary squash). :(
 
I'm looking for a new PWO supp as my 'Rage' by Animal is just about to run out but I want to try something else. This stuff was pretty good, gave me good focus and I was able to train harder on squats and deads when taking it. Didn't see much difference when taking it on bench and shoulder days so only took it when I had a long day or I was really tired.

So what do you guys think I should try? Craze?
 
Just grabbed the Berry lemonade flavor from power body. Not to keen on the exotic flavors these pre work outs come in but If it works I'll just keep necking it.
 
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