Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Care to summarise briefly for us n00bs?

A quick google returned some information about the body's Ph levels?

The basic theory is that your body prefers to be slightly alkaline rather than acidic. Now I'm not going over board on it, but concentrating on improving my body's alkalinity and keeping a healthier balance. It's all about balance. You shouldn't stray more one way than the other. However it has meant a big reduction in red meat for me, which I've actually been fine with, though even fish is slightly acidic, but not as much as red meat. However, this is a balance, besides I've just had a steak - there's no denying that the nutritional contents of good quality meat is always going to be beneficial for bodybuilding, size and strength. You can't lean out a prop, or a strong man, it's pointless. It's about tailoring it to suit your lifestyle, goals and requirements.

There's lots of interesting articles on there, some to be taken with a pinch of salt, some to be read with interest. I'm not one to tell you which is right or wrong, however read some of these and make up your own mind. :)

http://www.sethigherstandards.com/energize-your-life-by-alkalizing-your-body/

http://articlesofhealth.blogspot.com/

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/acid_alkaline_imbalance.htm

What is being made clear as a point is that eating green based vegetables, and increasing your vegetable and non animal protein is sensible and a good way of keeping your body better balanced. Of course your body balances itself, but if you can help it more by changing your diet so much the better? So many people eat stacks and stacks of red meat without really thinking about how it affects their body. Now don't get me wrong, a balanced diet is perfect and you shouldn't need to change anything. But in this game we're pushing ourselves and want our bodies to respond, so we become slightly extreme and often go OTT, and forget the importance of "balance".

Simple things like bicarb, or the lemon drink water is a good way of boosting alkalinity. Especially if you've had an animal rich based food. Hitting things like 9 fruit/veg per day is conducive to redressing the balance if you eat lots of animal proteins. Things like greens drinks, and a highly alkalising foods allows for optimum clearance of toxins and encouraging cellular health (and as a result better synthesis and cellular activity within the body.)

Don't take this as, become a vegan/vegetarian, it's not necessary, however think about the ratio of meat to alkaline foods you consume.

I think it's interesting, and whilst I'm not living by it word for word, it's definitely got me considering a more careful approach to keeping my feeding sensible and more conscientious.
 
I just take Amino Acid capsules, EFA capsules, multi-nutrient capsules from Maximuscle, my body doesn't seem to appreciate protein powders and energy drinks, it seems to affect my psoriasis, so i stick to capsules and find they are just as good as the powders. To a certain extent, it's a good thing because it keeps me relatively strict and focused on what i put into my mouth and keeps me training as well, so that my lifestyle is a healthy one.

Try pea protein or hemp protein, should be easier on the digestive system. :) That's where I'm going next, giving up whey, and going for pea & hemp.
 
Thanks Stina, I may well do that. Most of the stuff I read is read with scepticism until I can quantify it with science and fact, however from what I've read, alkaline diets are relatively interesting and make sense. It's not really about becoming a tree hugging hippy-type, hemp wearing veggy, but more like redressing an optimum balance in your diet. As some said our bodies are alkaline by design, but acidic by function which I think sums it up nicely. :)
 
Freefaller mentioned it first ;) I've had a definite improvement in my eczema while using it and read anecdotal reports of it helping psoriasis and acne, but your mileage may vary.

FF, what green drinks have you tried and do you have any useful links about their benefits? My dad gave me a tub of green superfood powder a short while back but I was put off by the look and taste (yes, I know it's not about how delicious it is.)

I just got mine from Bulksupplementsdirect (which is a pack I leave at the office) - I've tried a few different ones and they're all much of a muchness, but BSD's seem to have the best in terms of taste. I'd still describe the taste as "unusual"!!

My bad, thanks Freefaller.

No worries dude. :)
 
If you mix eeas with other nicer supps and add some cinnamon it does make them more palatable. A trick is to leave them in room temp water for 30 mins or so as they dissolve better making them less gritty. Still they taste absolutely vile.
 
Personally I'd take whey over night to prevent excessive catabolism, and have a protein rich breakfast. :) However I agree that having protein in the morning is vital to break the catabolic cycle, and help the metabolism. About 20g of protein is absorbed by your body in the morning for your immune system, endocrine systems and generally towards vital organs.

However cottage cheese or similar is obviously a good and preferable option to taking a supplement. Pea or hemp protein would be equally as good an alternative.

RR works wonders in cycles for a lot of people - it's a morning supp anyway - I'm sure you've read my thoughts on it before.
 
Give him a nudge on MP to post more here! :p

Yeah slow release protein in the evening and fast protein in the morning WITH carbs.

The protein I buy now is non whey based, at the moment I've got hemp protein which is quite nice and just as if not more complete than whey, but also has a great amino acid profile, some EFAs, good vitamin profile (containing vit c which is THE anti cortisol supplement) and GLA a rare amino acid.

Post work out adding vit c to your protein and carb shake is a good way of reducing cortisol which is a catabolic hormone. It's absolutely necessary before and during workout, but you want to stop it ASAP after training. At night GH is released when you sleep which overrides cortisol anyway, but upon waking the levels raise, so vit c again is good to have in the morning. Doesn't always need supplementing if you eat the right foods. :)
 
Tripple Strength Omega 3? With high levels of EPA/DHA?

Not sure if Cod Liver Oil will have been doing the same thing. FF might know.

Getting lots of fish in your diet already?

Fish oils are better that CLO. However how about trying the following:

Methylsulfonylmethane

Conjugated Linolenic Acid

And my favourite, cissus quandrangularis.

The first 2 are found naturally in foods, but in small amounts, the latter is a rare root but I found it to be wonderful - depending on the dose it's either an anti inflammatory or an anti catabolic - however Methylsulfonylmethane and CLA are probably going to offer more direct and immediate joint protection. CLA is similar in properties to fish oils - but both can be taken together.

As always, read up on it and make up your own mind. :)
 
Just add nesquik. Never tried their WPC - I've tried their isolate belgian chocolate and found it quite sweet and chocolatey, but i haven't got a sweet tooth really so maybe affected more greatly.
 
MP's never been the place for whey, but it's one of many places. Familiarise yourself with amio acid profiles, "bang for buck" in terms of bio-availability and protein percentage, and price of course.

I like BSD's 92% stuff, it's a bit dearer, but I'm quite loyal to them (friend works with/for them) and I like to support the underdog! :D

However, I've moved onto hemp protein for the moment - rather nice IMO and offer more than why does, as well as bloating me less and giving me less gas! Though it takes me several months to get through 2.5kg :p
 
I'm personally not a fan of MP and never have been - but if you like it, go for it! :)

Whey is whey, and it shouldn't be more complicated than that, however people market it in such an intensive way, that people forget what it's all about. :) There's the cheap and nasty stuff, the over priced stuff, and the good quality stuff. Good quality is over 90%+ with no sweetners or additives. Personally it's best to go for the non lactose one (i.e. isolate) - however most people won't justify the cost. However if you look at it long term, 2.5kg or whatever amount you buy, is a lot of protein which will last you months.

It's entirely up to you. Try MP's sample packs, see how you get on. Who knows, you might discover some protein powder which is even better?! :)

IF you really want to go mad, pea protein is even more "special" than hemp!
 
Well it's got more protein per gramme than hemp, and is considered one of these new "super foods". However, it is also cheaper than hemp (and maybe even whey?). The thing I like about hemp is the additional nutritional properties, in fact it would probably be just as good to mix pea and hemp protein together for a good mix. I'm just trying to keep away from lactose/bovine based protein - it's just a little bloaty and hard to digest. The others are just as bioavailable, have a good amino acid profile and added nutritional value.

Dammit, I'm turning into a hippy!! :o
 
No need to load really, but it's much more effective when taken with carbs and spread throughout the day, rather in 1 lump sum. 4 small helpings will keep your levels to a decent amount so that it can be of some use to you when you work out.
 
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