What I didn't quite say above.
Never said stop running a deficit. Lots of reading before you do anything.
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What I didn't quite say above.
Never said stop running a deficit. Lots of reading before you do anything.
Caporegime
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he's going to tell you lift weights and eat a clean diet which is on a 10-15% calorie deficit according to a calculator which is a rough guess at what your BMR is, it could be out by as much as 1000 calories.
then he is going to show you a picture of 3 ripped guys with 6 packs which has zero cardio plastered all over them.
to counteract that picture i could show you a picture of 3 fat guys and write zero cardio over them too.
the fact they do zero cardio and are ripped proves nothing, some people need to do cardio to lose weight i believe, as much as i believe some people can get away with doing zero cardio and become ripped.
all comes down to genetics.
otherwise everyone in the post your pic thread would be ripped if it was all about weights and eating clean as much as possible.
I have a low metabolism anyway but this thread suggests moar muscle mass would fix that.
right now I'm doing around 1500-2000 calories a day and barely losing weight even though I'm cycling 20 miles every 1-2 days on average. (I did 50 miles yesterday)
I'm only doing light weight work on my top half , usually my legs feel like I've been doing dead lifts from cycling anyway so just trying to keep a bit of a balance (although I'm not likely to put on much mass if any with a calorie deficit but I still get the feel good factor)
My legs seem a lot bigger than when I started in july and I lost about 2-3 stone so far.
but if icecold knows a more efficient way to lose fat and get fit I'm all for it.
as long as it's not the heart rate zone myth that doesn't take into account the after burn that follows a high intensity workout
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metabolism i believe is directly linked to genetics and your eating habits, the whole more muscle mass = more calories burnt is grossly exaggerated and broscience, it equates to like an extra 4 calories burnt per day over the equivalent lb or kg of fat, which is nothing.
making muscle though burns calories, but you need to consume calories to make muscle, so therefore it's a chicken and egg situation. so you need to eat more to make the muscle, therefore your not going to lose any fat whilst making muscle.
i was doing a 5km run and a 150 minute (2 and a half hours) weight workout every second day for 2 weeks and eating less than 2000 calories and i lost zero weight.
i then went on a 3 day binge eating whatever i wanted and i am now losing weight doing just 5km run's and eating less than 2000 calories per day.
the body works in mysterious ways, the only reason i cut out the weights was i wasn't recovering fast enough and a i have a race coming up and want to do well in it, so i thought ditch the weights and focus on the running until the race, then go back to weights as well as running.
i believe a combinations of weights, cardio and eating clean for say 2 weeks at a time on a deficit is beneficial to fat loss, but then you also have to go on a binge to boost the metabolism back to normal.
if someone can provide me any proof how muscle mass rather than cardio is better for weight loss then go ahead. as said above it's like an extra 40 calories burnt per day if you put on 10lbs or 10kgs of muscle (cant remember which one) which is the equivalent of like 2-3 mins of cardio for me.
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The only thing with whey shakes is, while it's a great, cheap way of hitting protein macros and convinience, in terms of satiety, 40g of protein from two scoops of whey hasn't got anything on 40g protein from 200g of meat with a load of cruciferous green veg (which is digested as fibre and shouldn't count towards your carb intake).
When trying to adhere to a calorie restricted diet it's why whole foods are always the better choice most of the time, since you generally want to get the most volume of food for your cals.
When trying to adhere to a calorie restricted diet it's why whole foods are always the better choice most of the time, since you generally want to get the most volume of food for your cals.
for what reason mr superior being? you just want to speak **** and try to belittle people or make them feel like **** without actually wanting to educate or help anyone like some form of troll
or is it because you don't know the answers and hide behind a wall of meme's ?
or is it because you don't know the answers and hide behind a wall of meme's ?
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Judging by the posting history of icecold and the like vs the posting history of arknor and psycho sonny I strongly suggest that anyone pay more attention to icecold.
Just putting that out there so hopefully anyone new reading these posts takes away the right info.
(I lurk on these sub-forums a lot, even if I don't usually post).
Just putting that out there so hopefully anyone new reading these posts takes away the right info.
(I lurk on these sub-forums a lot, even if I don't usually post).
pay more attention? he is doing nothing but trolling I thought these forums were supposed to be for helping each other and I genuinely posted my routine for him to critic but he does nothing but post a stupid meme
how about you explain why cycling for 3 hours every 1-2 days at 150-165 average bpm is the wrong way to burn calories?
and yes the heart rate zone for the fat burning zone is a myth go google about it yet I see respected weight lifters on this forum still talking about it freefaller mentioned it the other day infact! (post #22 in the HIT thread)
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=heart+rate+fat+burn+myth
so dont go acting like people with a reputation speak 100% fact and everyone else should be ignored
The right info? he said cycling for fat loss is wrong and even laughed at it but won't say why it's wrong. maybe because he is wrong? maybe that's why he replied to my post with a stupid meme? because he knows he can't post anything else and ignoring me makes him look bad.
as I said if he know's a better way then I am all for it but he doesn't seem prepared to post any actual info just a silly meme
he discounts any cardio activity so I would love to hear what the better way to lose fat is
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I've read plenty of posts by him and others and they're almost always filled with actual facts rather than conjecture based on little evidence.
Tbh, if you find you're agreeing with Pyscho Sonny then you should always go back and re-evaluate your view point.
Tbh, if you find you're agreeing with Pyscho Sonny then you should always go back and re-evaluate your view point.
I never said I agreed with pyscho sonny I just want icecold to impart his wisdom rather than post a meme.
he clearly knows a better way to burn calories and lose weight one that doesn't involve this every 1-2 days
His method must be quicker and more efficient and not involve cardio since he specifically said
Am I asking to much to expect an answer after he said that?
You're being unnecessarily defensive.
Basically if your goal is "fat loss fast" you're doing it wrong.
You need to change your lifestyle and eat healthily and with intent. Weight loss is byproduct.
Being active will improve your health and may assist your weight goal in the long term but it's not a substitute for a poor diet.
Start with:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10487375
Over the 12 weeks the aerobic group lost 1 extra lb to the diet only group and the aerobic + weight group lost 6.5lb more than the diet only group. More than the aerobic only group but still not significant compared to diet only.
So if fat loss is your main goal ice's snark is right and there are better ways to go about it.
Basically if your goal is "fat loss fast" you're doing it wrong.
You need to change your lifestyle and eat healthily and with intent. Weight loss is byproduct.
Being active will improve your health and may assist your weight goal in the long term but it's not a substitute for a poor diet.
Start with:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10487375
Over the 12 weeks the aerobic group lost 1 extra lb to the diet only group and the aerobic + weight group lost 6.5lb more than the diet only group. More than the aerobic only group but still not significant compared to diet only.
So if fat loss is your main goal ice's snark is right and there are better ways to go about it.
Pop your head in to the form thread and see how helpful Icecold is. Don't mistake any bluntness you might encounter in his posts as arrogance, more frustration that people don't read the OP before posting or asking for advice.
Shock horror eating an a deficit and then exercising yourself further in to a horrendously huge one no wonder you didn't drop any weight:
Welcome to carb cycling/reloads.
Ultimately you can obtain a calorie deficit without the need for any type of cardiovascular activity. You don't need to slug away like a hamster in a wheel to burn fat.
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erm my diet is fine and likely very similar to most of you weight lifters.
why do you automatically assume I started cycling but never adjusted my diet to help with weight loss?
What I do is go out in the morning for 20-30 miles on an empty stomach and only take with me a 750ml bottle of water with a electrolyte (lulz all you want it makes a huge different) tab added to it.
Have a nice big meal when I return home like
rice+sweetcorn+peas+chicken+broccoli
I own a slow cooker so make a lot of nutritional meals with that in bulk as well then just microwave as needed.
Obviously I will have a pig out day if my body starts craving for one or my energy levels start dropping although I tend to have more energy when I'm not eating.
Fat loss right NOW is my main goal but raising my fitness levels is my main long term goal and cycling will continue when I am at an uber low body fat.
I plan to get to the point where I can cycle for 5 hours daily.
obviously once my weight is gone I will need to completely change my diet again to a cycling one.
as I said before I am not bothered about getting huge muscles just a decent body shape.
I've tried the 5x5 to lose weight before and whilst I did start feeling a lot stronger I struggled to get my body fat to change even after around 6 months I had a lot more mass but my body fat was roughly the same.
right now I'm losing fat faster than I ever have so surely found something which works for me regardless of how much you guys want to laugh at it
I have read the stickies before when I tried that.
My way or the highway can go **** itself.
I've been doing this since july and it's still working why should I change because someone else doesn't agree with it
It's making it all worth it to me and something I will carry on doing likely until a very old age.
you would be amazed at the amount of old people you see out cycling and I mean really old, often I will see old couples out riding together along the river and it's something I can see my self doing in 30-40 years
why do you automatically assume I started cycling but never adjusted my diet to help with weight loss?
What I do is go out in the morning for 20-30 miles on an empty stomach and only take with me a 750ml bottle of water with a electrolyte (lulz all you want it makes a huge different) tab added to it.
Have a nice big meal when I return home like
rice+sweetcorn+peas+chicken+broccoli
I own a slow cooker so make a lot of nutritional meals with that in bulk as well then just microwave as needed.
Obviously I will have a pig out day if my body starts craving for one or my energy levels start dropping although I tend to have more energy when I'm not eating.
Fat loss right NOW is my main goal but raising my fitness levels is my main long term goal and cycling will continue when I am at an uber low body fat.
I plan to get to the point where I can cycle for 5 hours daily.
obviously once my weight is gone I will need to completely change my diet again to a cycling one.
as I said before I am not bothered about getting huge muscles just a decent body shape.
I've tried the 5x5 to lose weight before and whilst I did start feeling a lot stronger I struggled to get my body fat to change even after around 6 months I had a lot more mass but my body fat was roughly the same.
right now I'm losing fat faster than I ever have so surely found something which works for me regardless of how much you guys want to laugh at it
I am not a body builder.
I have read the stickies before when I tried that.
My way or the highway can go **** itself.
I've been doing this since july and it's still working why should I change because someone else doesn't agree with it
and this is where you guys can't wrap your head around the fact I want to suffer , I want to go riding for miles and miles outside in the fresh air.
It's making it all worth it to me and something I will carry on doing likely until a very old age.
you would be amazed at the amount of old people you see out cycling and I mean really old, often I will see old couples out riding together along the river and it's something I can see my self doing in 30-40 years
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You asked for some evidence to back up icecold and other's points..you were provided it...and then you ignored it and stuck to your "I happen to have lost some weight using my own method which has no scientific backing" line.
This is why people get snarky and make snide comments.
This is why people get snarky and make snide comments.
cycling for fitness and weight loss has no scientific backing?
the trouble is weight lifters seem to want to take an easy route for fatloss because cardio hurts there gains.
anyone doing cardio is evil because they all have the same mindset
Not at all it's just boring for a lot of people and completely unnecessary when it comes to losing fat, but if it's what you want to do and it's working then crack on.
well to a lot of people cycling is highly addictive and I appear to be one of them.
you guys find weight lifting addictive ,I found it inefficient for losing fat but brilliant for putting on mass , I also had to force my self to lift and cherished the rest days.
with cycling I am completely the opposite on my rest days I just want to go out and get on the bike even if it's just a small ride to the local park and back.
like yesterday I did 5miles even though I had no power in my legs at all I just went out for a nice easy cruise and came back feeling much better.
of course I have to be careful and make sure I get enough rest that my body has time to recover and I am doing so.
It's just hard to be restless
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Cycling and cardio as a means to help weightloss are of course real things.... and nobody here is saying that they aren't.
The issue is that you're clearly going about things in an unhealthy way (and also not in an optimal way). You are being told that but rather than admitting it you become overly defensive and try to claim that your method is a great one to follow.
People here are trying to offer *good* advice. As part of that they will feel the need to point out bad advice.
Just to re-iterate... Nobody is saying that something that "works for you" doesn't "work for you". However, there are healthier and easier ways to approach this - which is what you seem to be denying.
FYI - I cycle far more than I lift weights.
I've been cycling pretty much every day for the past 3 or so years. I only started doing anything with weights earlier this year.