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My ultimate goal is to become a vegan. I haven't eaten meat in many years, but I still enjoy dairy products. Obviously I'd like to cut out all animal produce from my diet. So I'm trying to avoid whey if I can find an alternative
Reason for going with the protein powder; I've been exercising since August, mainly just cardio (cycling/running), but I'm now looking to increase my muscle mass. I'm struggling to put weight on, even on a 3,000+ calorie diet. I'm quite small, 5ft9 and 57kg.
A friend of mine who is a vegan and loves his fitness, raved about hemp protein. As I said a lot of reading up suggested hemp from one of the most complete foods I could eat.
Reason for going with the protein powder; I've been exercising since August, mainly just cardio (cycling/running), but I'm now looking to increase my muscle mass. I'm struggling to put weight on, even on a 3,000+ calorie diet. I'm quite small, 5ft9 and 57kg.
A friend of mine who is a vegan and loves his fitness, raved about hemp protein. As I said a lot of reading up suggested hemp from one of the most complete foods I could eat.
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Because it tastes absolutely foul.
Then there is something more amiss than a protein supplement could fix.
3,000 kcals at 57kg should have you gaining, list your diet and we'll have a look.
I think I'm simply burning off more than I can eat. I'm very active at the moment.
I've recently started using a calorie counter, and although most days I'm hitting 3,000 calories, I can't sustain that 7 days a week.
Usually on the Saturday I'll just crash, sleep a lot and eat maybe 1,500 calories but feel absolutely stuffed.
Since the summer I've given up the car, I commute 10 miles a day by bike or run. I then go riding, jog or swim in the evening, followed by chin ups etc. I'm probably overdoing the cardio, but I started it to improve my mood and mental well-being, and have never felt better.
I guess realistically I need to somehow eat even more than I currently am?
Yep there's no trick to it, simply eat bigger if you want to get bigger.
Yes, hemp is notionally a complete protein and yes, it is hypoallergenic.
However, what can the body do with it (check out 'biological value')? Whey protein absorbs fast and effectively; vegan proteins not so much. From a purely calorific (?) perspective, rice protein is the best 'powder' for vegans in terms of how the body deals with it, with pea protein after that (around 2/3s that of whey). I can't find a value for hemp, so...
Either way, if you want to cut out animal-sourced protein, then great: just bear in mind that it comes with its own problems.
And do not forget to supplement with creatine, too: non-meat eaters suffer from deficiencies here, too, which add up to a reduced ability to use one's working memory.
If that isn't evidence enough that humans need meat from an evolutionary standpoint, then I don't know what is.
Soy Protein has a lower biological value.
If I needed protein in my diet, Soy Protein would certainly not be the first on my list.
In fact, it'd probably be last on my list, bearing in mind that it seems to cost the same as whey protein.
This is interesting.
What substance in meat, helps memory?
I don't eat any red meat.
I eat chicken and fish only. No red meats.
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So you're only eating 2800 calories a day. Say you hit 2500 a couple days a week too, down to 2600 a day average.
Being inconsistent isn't going to cut it.
That's a cutting regime.
It's going to be tough to gain weight while doing so much cardiovascular exercise.
If you want to gain weight, you must stop that heavy cardio regime.
Many people can easily gain weight on 2600 cals/day (average).
His problem is the heavy exercise regime.
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Fair enough. It was actually cheaper, and I didn't really want to splash out on the protein.
It should be alright, and if it's not, I guess I'll just get some whey protein.
Yup..
2800 daily average
-500-800 (cycle or run commute)
-500-800 (another ride or jog in the evening)
-100 (chinups etc)
= 1100-1700
combine this low net calorific intake with a very low protein intake, and you're likely to be actually losing muscle mass rather than even maintaining it.
Olympus Brotein. So cheap it must be so bad that it's actually good.