No it shouldn't, we'd end up with Dan 'brown envelope in back pocket' Jarvis, Julie 'thicker than Diane Abbott' Dore & Bob 'remove the major roads and have cycle lanes instead' Johnson in charge. We'd be better off with the Chuckle brothers.
Switzerland becomes 7th European country to ban face coverings
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No it shouldn't, we'd end up with Dan 'brown envelope in back pocket' Jarvis, Julie 'thicker than Diane Abbott' Dore & Bob 'remove the major roads and have cycle lanes instead' Johnson in charge. We'd be better off with the Chuckle brothers.
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switzerland likes to get its citizen to vote on some/all issues - and this was narrowly won by 51-49 for it. it was tabled by an islamophobic right wing party..
its very funny and ironic how women can walk around naked (esp. in summer) leaving nothing to imagination (fair enough, their choice) but some poeple like to dictate what other women should and shouldnt wear.
In the western countries, WOMEN choose to wear this... a man legally (islamically) has no authority to force a woman to cover her face as its not prescribed/written in 'shariah law' when women do it, they do it for themselves..
the whole 'lets ban something and force women to NOT wear something because they might be FORCED by their husband/fathers' is quite ironic
its very funny and ironic how women can walk around naked (esp. in summer) leaving nothing to imagination (fair enough, their choice) but some poeple like to dictate what other women should and shouldnt wear.
In the western countries, WOMEN choose to wear this... a man legally (islamically) has no authority to force a woman to cover her face as its not prescribed/written in 'shariah law' when women do it, they do it for themselves..
the whole 'lets ban something and force women to NOT wear something because they might be FORCED by their husband/fathers' is quite ironic
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when you see a christian man who abide by the christian beliefs, let me know
Not true! It would get spent on Yorkshire Stuff for Yorkshire People like Wensleydale cheese and Yorkshire puddings and Black Sheep Ale.
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So you'd be happy with me and my mates stomping through the high street in full Gestapo and SS uniform?
Given how often I've known people still under the influence while in control of vehicles, firearms and explosives I'd have thought you'd be quite glad of those who don't.
No I am saying that just because one person believes something because that's what they've been told so they take it as fact for fear of hell etc, doesn't make it religion. If people can go round doing what they want because they personally believe it's their religion, then when does chaos end? Body/face coverings are not religion, this is a matter of fact not debate!
If someone claims otherwise then it's up to them to prove it a part of their religion, which hasn't happened to this day other than it's what they believe (going back to the point about this is what they've been told to follow by man...).
Surely all religion is a matter of belief and interpretation? I have been to Christian Churches where everyone kneels to pray and those where nobody does, I have been to Christian churches where the Clergy chose to wear all manor of strange formal attire and those where they wore jeans and a t-shirt. Just because it isn't written in a book doesn't mean it isn't part of someone's chosen religious observance.
This is different though, it isn't their rooted choice if they have been told it must be done, but why? Kneeling to pray is practices in all religions and beliefs, whilst some choose to stand and pray, some hands together etc, this is a universal accepted thing. Face and full body coverings have never been a religious requirement at any time.Once again, men made this a rule to stop men from looking at women and for women to not be seen out in public. It is a forced practice to hide women that has somehow become a practice of statement since the Islamic revolution and the growth of various sects within Muslim communities whilst the moderate many still go about daily life without needing to wear any such coverings which is how it was back in before the revolution.
I actually have first hand experience in this topic in both sides and can see where you are coming from, but it isn't logical and isn't "choice" in the standard sense.
I actually have first hand experience in this topic in both sides and can see where you are coming from, but it isn't logical and isn't "choice" in the standard sense.
Switzerland is very nationalistic. I used to have a friend who was politically active over there, I think when that sheep poster was first published.
I think it was about stopping immigration. So I'm not surprised the people voted for this ban.
I think it was about stopping immigration. So I'm not surprised the people voted for this ban.
That would all be well if the Niqab/Burka were a requirement of said religion which neither have. IIRC Quran simply states that women dress modestly.
It’s always an interesting one when civil liberties and individual rights are fought for in relation to Islam....which as a religion is conformist, collective and conservative.
I mean when the roles are reversed it definitely isn't reciprocated. This fact is never explored in the mainstream medias discussions of these topics. Many traditional and Conservative movements are despised by much of the Liberal media, yet Islam's traditional values get little scrutiny.
I mean when the roles are reversed it definitely isn't reciprocated. This fact is never explored in the mainstream medias discussions of these topics. Many traditional and Conservative movements are despised by much of the Liberal media, yet Islam's traditional values get little scrutiny.
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Scandanavia and Eastern Europe protect their own cultures, but seem slip under the wokist radar.
That's the thing, it's right wing AF and completely incompatible with the European way of life. It's a way of thinking which we left behind generations ago. They will even murder people for criticising it. Yet we are supposed to just accept that.
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Define dress modestly? There are literally hundreds of religious practices that are not explicitly written down yet nobody cares about people who practice them, millions of Jewish men wear a skull cap that is not mandated by the bible but has become an accepted part of the religious practice they choose to follow. The idea that we should use state power to oppress people to save them from a perceived oppression is a step to far for me and likely to be counter productive, educate and use laws appropriately ie no face coverings on passports and ID documentation etc but don't pretend that these laws are passed for the good of the women concerned.
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That’s a bobbins comparison. No one’s forcing any Christian to become a nun and not all nuns wear a full habit.
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Seems like a good decision to me.