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Spud21 · 26 Apr 2006 at 12:43

Sic said:
ugh. people like you are the worst kind of music fan. i wear River Island clothes, and Topman, and Fenchurch, and Bench....please tell me what kind of music i'm allowed to be into. i was rather looking forward to listening to this new Tool album...i do hope you approve.

i have also been known to go to a...dare i say it....night club

And i thought you were cool, not anymore

you, you . gaaahhh sic's a trendy :eek:

/runs.

Sic · 26 Apr 2006 at 12:45

heh, you didnt offend me. it's my taste in music, just the same as it's my taste in clothes

i just hate when people pigeon-hole people because of the way that they dress. the people you normally find doing this are the guys that need to justify their music taste by only ever wearing band tshirts (i'm really guilty of this...and i'm not even going to pretend that it's because it's one of the best sources of revenue for bands, i just like them!) and generally demanding that you label yourself before you listen to a certain type of music.

Spud21 said:
And i thought you were cool, not anymore you, you . gaaahhh sic's a trendy

/runs.

you have to settle for grotty little "rock chicks" if you don't dress nice

Arcade Fire · 26 Apr 2006 at 13:16

fus said:
I would, however, dislike this band and their music been listened to by the youth culture of today. After coming out of the club at 2:30, drunk off their faces, screaming random tool lyrics. For me, it would completly ruin their whole appeal. They would be reduced to the level of Kaiser cheifs, Franz, Monkeys etc. I'm not saying that type of music isn't very good, but all music has its place, and I feel that radio1 isn't the place for this band.

They're incredibly popular, and i'm not saying that only a certain niche of society can listen to them, but the niche of society which radio1 listeners/River Island (in majority, not all) appeals to would degrade the music this band produces. This is talking from experience. The RI radio has to be paint-by-numbers indie, or pop. Anything remotly heavy, challenging or involving cannot be played there. It's kinda like the rules, man.

Rubbish. You just don't like the idea that a band you like because it's 'clever' music might also be enjoyed by people who, according to you, only listen to "paint-by-numbers indie or pop". How god-damn pretentious of you. I listen to Radio 1, as do a lot of regulars in this section whose taste in music goes way beyond "paint-by-numbers indie".

Come down off your high horse for a second and join us plebs down in the gutter listening to our stupid music - you never know, you might even like it.

Carzy · 26 Apr 2006 at 13:18

Arcade Fire said:
Rubbish. You just don't like the idea that a band you like because it's 'clever' music might also be enjoyed by people who, according to you, only listen to "paint-by-numbers indie or pop". How god-damn pretentious of you. I listen to Radio 1, as do a lot of regulars in this section whose taste in music goes way beyond "paint-by-numbers indie".

Come down off your high horse for a second and join us plebs down in the gutter listening to our stupid music - you never know, you might even like it.

And I thought you were indie...*sob*

I don't think I can talk to you anymore...I thought we had a connection *cries*

Sic · 26 Apr 2006 at 13:22

this thread's gone really sour.

i think "no Tool threads" should be added to the FAQ

Carzy · 26 Apr 2006 at 13:23

Sic said:
this thread's gone really sour.

i think "no Tool threads" should be added to the FAQ

Don't forget "no Sic threads" har har.

Sic · 26 Apr 2006 at 13:25

Carzy said:
Don't forget "no Sic threads" har har.

shame, there's been a few good ones. i like convincing drunk people to start threads about me over MSN!!

bam0 · 26 Apr 2006 at 13:25

fus said:
My point was that when Radio 1 (i'm hoping it was the Zane Lowe show, if not then it's worse than I first imagined) get their teeth into something, so does the rest of the world. This in turn leads to either one of two things. The band rides their current burst of fame and thrives on it (arctic monkeys, for example) wheras others fall under the pressure. tool have been going for years with a dedicated fanbase, so I doubt they would be affected by this. I hope the wouldn't anyway. Them getting more fans is a good thing.

I would, however, dislike this band and their music been listened to by the youth culture of today. After coming out of the club at 2:30, drunk off their faces, screaming random tool lyrics. For me, it would completly ruin their whole appeal. They would be reduced to the level of Kaiser cheifs, Franz, Monkeys etc. I'm not saying that type of music isn't very good, but all music has its place, and I feel that radio1 isn't the place for this band.

They're incredibly popular, and i'm not saying that only a certain niche of society can listen to them, but the niche of society which radio1 listeners/River Island (in majority, not all) appeals to would degrade the music this band produces. This is talking from experience. The RI radio has to be paint-by-numbers indie, or pop. Anything remotly heavy, challenging or involving cannot be played there. It's kinda like the rules, man.

So you're not pretentious? All you are saying in the above is that the music you like is too good for other people. If someone gets something out of a song why does it matter to you who they are or precisely what they get out of it?
Also please explain how you think a certain people listening to "your" band degrades the music? The CD you bought remains the same, why do you care so much that people you don't like are enjoying it?

I would venture that the above is exactly the reason you would have a problem, you dislike a certain segment of society and don't want to feel you have anything in common with them, "them" liking "your" music erodes your own perception of your identity.

Edit: Damn it, just saw Arcade Fire had gotten in a similar post while I was writing mine

SidewinderINC · 26 Apr 2006 at 13:27

fus said:
I would, however, dislike this band and their music been listened to by the youth culture of today. After coming out of the club at 2:30, drunk off their faces, screaming random tool lyrics. For me, it would completly ruin their whole appeal. They would be reduced to the level of Kaiser cheifs, Franz, Monkeys etc. I'm not saying that type of music isn't very good, but all music has its place, and I feel that radio1 isn't the place for this band.

They're incredibly popular, and i'm not saying that only a certain niche of society can listen to them, but the niche of society which radio1 listeners/River Island (in majority, not all) appeals to would degrade the music this band produces. This is talking from experience. The RI radio has to be paint-by-numbers indie, or pop. Anything remotly heavy, challenging or involving cannot be played there. It's kinda like the rules, man.

what a load of crap!

sorry, but i like tool, not for any meaning or any insight into the mind of the writer or deep reasons. purely because they sound totally awesome. i couldnt care less whether he wrote one song for a certain meaning and if you play the 2nd verse backwards blah blah blah.

so, in your eyes "i dont get it" and therefore i shouldnt be listening to it...

:rolleyes:

Spud21 · 26 Apr 2006 at 13:51

Sic said:
you have to settle for grotty little "rock chicks" if you don't dress nice

Oi **** off

, my ex was a "grotty little (well 6'0") rock chick" and she was what a godess would look like should they take human form, so less of the grotty eh

The fact that she was severly messed up is a different matter though

I'm not adverse to river island clothing, but they just don't so anything i like anymore, used to go there mainly for casual shirts but they just don't float my boat anymore.

Oh and i aree with the no tool thread sentiments, i understand CBS view point as he actually knows something of the stuff that Maynard sings about, so i can see how it means more to him than me as i don't know anything about it, same for Icebus, but some of the stuff posted in this thread is just pretentious drivel imo.

chrisd · 26 Apr 2006 at 14:48

Spud21 said:
but all of the stuff posted in this thread is just pretentious drivel imo.

Fixed.

Spud21 · 26 Apr 2006 at 15:37

chrisd said:
Fixed.

What evern the stuff moaning about the pretentious drivel ? :confused:

cleanbluesky · 26 Apr 2006 at 15:47

Sic said:
this thread's gone really sour.

i think "no Tool threads" should be added to the FAQ

The problems of this thread are already covered in the FAQ - all trolls should stay under the bridge where they belong

Skeptic · 26 Apr 2006 at 16:12

SidewinderINC said:
what a load of crap!

sorry, but i like tool, not for any meaning or any insight into the mind of the writer or deep reasons. purely because they sound totally awesome. i couldnt care less whether he wrote one song for a certain meaning and if you play the 2nd verse backwards blah blah blah.

so, in your eyes "i dont get it" and therefore i shouldnt be listening to it...

Where did i say that? I think you'll find my post was against that kind of elitest attitude.

So you're not pretentious? All you are saying in the above is that the music you like is too good for other people. If someone gets something out of a song why does it matter to you who they are or precisely what they get out of it?
Also please explain how you think a certain people listening to "your" band degrades the music? The CD you bought remains the same, why do you care so much that people you don't like are enjoying it?

I would venture that the above is exactly the reason you would have a problem, you dislike a certain segment of society and don't want to feel you have anything in common with them, "them" liking "your" music erodes your own perception of your identity.

Where did I say it was too good for other people. I said it would upset me. Not that it shouldn't be done, not that I care. I don't care what people listen to, whether it's 'my' (I didn't call it 'my' music, for the record) music or not. It would just leave a sour taste in my mouth, hearing it in the context I wrote. Just like a classical music lover would be seething when music they enjoy is used as a sample for an R&B tune. Similarly, Floyd lovers were upset that Scissor Sisters covered it.

It's not about being on a high horse, it's about music you enjoy, used in a context you dislike. My dislike happens to be drunken people screaming out lyrics to music which is beautiful to me.

Rubbish. You just don't like the idea that a band you like because it's 'clever' music might also be enjoyed by people who, according to you, only listen to "paint-by-numbers indie or pop". How god-damn pretentious of you. I listen to Radio 1, as do a lot of regulars in this section whose taste in music goes way beyond "paint-by-numbers indie".

Come down off your high horse for a second and join us plebs down in the gutter listening to our stupid music - you never know, you might even like it.

How very dare you. You're assuming that I don't listen to 'stupid music' (your words, not mine). Way to go with the pigeon holing of me.

I also listen to Radio1.

Will write more later. Must work now

Arcade Fire · 26 Apr 2006 at 16:15

Ah, but is it still trolling when you have a legitimate point to make..?

Is it still murder if the victim wants to be killed..?

And does a tree falling in a forest make any sound..?

SidewinderINC · 26 Apr 2006 at 17:20

fus said:
Where did i say that? I think you'll find my post was against that kind of elitest attitude.

you said that radio1 was for "paint by numbers indie" and challenging stuff or intelectual stuff shouldnt be played there.

whilst tool may write stuff in an intelectual way and with deep meanings, it doesnt mean the people that listen have to care at all about that, so why shouldnt they play it on R1?

you've inferred that because its not paint by numbers indie they wont "get it" and so they shouldnt be allowed to listen to it.

which is the exact elitist attitude that you've now said you're against :confused:

SexyGreyFox · 26 Apr 2006 at 19:43

Just out of interest my wife buys all my clothes from Matalan (except for the odd rock band t-shirt I buy) so what kind of music can I listen to?

chrisd · 26 Apr 2006 at 19:55

dmpoole said:
Just out of interest my wife buys all my clothes from Matalan (except for the odd rock band t-shirt I buy) so what kind of music can I listen to?

None. You can however hum nursery rhymes.

SidewinderINC · 26 Apr 2006 at 19:56

those clothes only allow you access to the panpipes and musak section of HMV i'm afraid

how about charity shop clothes

(yes, that was serious, i wear charity shop clothes)

deSade · 26 Apr 2006 at 20:06

I love Tool's music, & have been into them for over 13 years now (in fact I met them in a hotel in Tempe, AZ back in 1993 (I think)), but have to admit to finding them a very difficult band to discuss. Even though they are really quite successful now, a lot of their fans still seem to view them almost as a closely guarded secret, hence you do get a lot of "You just don't/won't get them" sort of comments.

I'm not into any of their astrology/occult interests (whatever floats their boat I guess), I just like their music.

Perhaps both they & a lot of their fans take it all far too seriously.