Soldato
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Like the B-52, but if there's nothing better at doing the job and it can be modernised, age shouldn't really matter
Taiwan and China thread.
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Kyocera says the US's chip controls is working and it's killing manufacturers in China. Kyocera's CEO believes the state of China as a manufacturing hub is quickly coming to an end and it will no longer be viable
Manufacturing in China 'no longer viable': Kyocera head | Fortune
Hideo Tanimoto, president of Kyocera, said tensions between Washington and Beijing will make it difficult to make goods in China and export them elsewhere.
fortune.com
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I wonder how long it will be before a US aircraft is accidentally shot down for getting too close to that one captain or pilot who's a little too trigger happy
Soldato
These intercepts, as common as they are, have gone wrong in the past leading to several deaths & damaged aircraft having forced landings and being temporarily confiscated so there's always a high degree of risk, especially with China occasionally having a go with their blinding lasers whenever they like and generally flying their smaller fast jets around like ram-raiders far too close to the bigger "lumbering" US aircraft, always an immediate sign of extremely poor airmanship.
en.wikipedia.org
Hainan Island incident - Wikipedia
Soldato
Interesting. The past year it became very clear (as I mentioned in the Ukraine thread), that China was doing the obvious move of trying to get The West so dependent on manufacturing in China, that should something happen with a war, the West would largely be screwed. We would no longer have the manufacturing capability/knowledge/labor to bring ourselves up to speed effectively for a war IMO.
Then we have the addition of Taiwan being the central hub of many of our key chips/circuits used in everything commercial, consumer and military. Maybe it was too late a move, but the US change in policy to getting chip manufacture back in house was a good move, even if it takes decades to get going properly (I hope it does get going properly!). This should be stunningly obvious now with Russia pulling the move on Ukraine, and China making military exercises around Taiwan.
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I think every western nation needs to take a long hard look at manufacturing and not having to rely on bad actors for supplies of key components.
Soldato
Honestly, even being reliant of every day items from China is a risk. The reality is that China is friendly*1 'for now', but that won't last forever. They have big ambitions and will make their move at some point IMO.
*1: Friendly is used loosely here.
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Agreed, we all need to wean ourselves off Chinese goods and become more self sufficient. I need to stop purchasing cheap Chinese tat.
With their failing demographics which has likely been happening for longer than they'd like to admit I think it's safe to say ambition is out of the picture and what drives them (the ruling class mostly, but wouldn't take much for a majority to agree with it) now is revenge on the countries who they blame for their 'century of humiliation' because they're running out of time before their own inevitable crumbling which they want to stall by going to war so they can remain in power a little longer.
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What about expensive Chinese quality items? Can we still buy those?
Eg : Kef speakers, British company, British designed, British engineered, expensive, highly rated, made in China.
It's not going to be quick or easy to dial back from globalisation and I'm not sure our consumerist economies and population would actually like that stuff becomes really expensive and limited in quantity.
Soldato
Who said said anything about dialing back globalisation? If anything we need to expand globalisation by diversifying our sources. Places like India, Vietnam etc. Just don't put all your eggs in one basket.
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Will never happen until companies stop prioritising cheap labour. For that to happen Governments need to make it appealing for companies to keep their manufacturing inhouse and not outsources to other countries such as China.
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Caporegime
I haven't read the thread, obvs, but I'm not sure all of the KEF kit is made in China. It doesn't matter (to me) because they know what they're doing so I'm the awkward pause in your conversation
)I haven't read the thread, obvs, but I'm not sure all of the KEF kit is made in China. It doesn't matter (to me) because they know what they're doing so I'm the awkward pause in your conversation
Yea, I think the Kef Blades are hand made in the UK. £30,000 a pair
Speaker technology hasn't really changed too much over decades, you could manufacture those in some other country too... it's not like say semiconductors.
China already has an aging population/upcoming demographics crisis.
To try and boost its housing market, Chinese banks increase the maximum age for mortgage applications from 79 to 95 years old
So yes in China you can buy a house with a loan at 95 years old. They just assume when you die your kids will take over the loan, they don't really care if you can't pay they just need more sales volume to pump the housing ponzi further
So yes in China you can buy a house with a loan at 95 years old. They just assume when you die your kids will take over the loan, they don't really care if you can't pay they just need more sales volume to pump the housing ponzi further
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Something to consider is that you split up your manufacturing knowledge and now deal with different legislations for these countries. It can make it harder to co-ordinate purchasing of materials and components to build assemblies and ironically (based on the social climate) could drive up emissions, for goods.
These problems aren't impossible to deal with but they are small issues that add up. It means the path of least resistance is most likely going to be chosen. Which is putting all our eggs in a different basket.
Yikes, the one-child policy is gonna hurt a bit there, construction is a huge part of their economy but they seem to have a bit of a demographics time bomb re: population.
Also perhaps a minor effect in addition to the one-child policy but they've perhaps got a slight mismatch resulting from cultural issues/preferences on top too... a few too many boys vs girls.
Caporegime
Yeah, but if someone decides the boys are girls all is OK. Cos they're real girls!