Taiwan and China thread.

Chinese defence analyst was saying on the radio he believes that if Xi remains in power he will attack Taiwan its a matter of when not if, the only reason he's not doing it now is because his military isn't where he wants it to be and any potential failures would weaken his position considerably, but when he's ready he will attack. The question is what will the US do about it? Looking at Ukraine I'd imagine beyond supplying any rebels and the regular army if the war persists, not much.
Sanctions would be a major consequence, it would pretty much end the role of China as the manufacturer for the West. Would have a massive impact on all of us, will take years to move production elsewhere.
 
it would be for the best.

From a point of view?

Prices would go up hugely for absolute certain. We ship material to the other side of the world, get it manufactured and get it back here for LESS than it would cost to make it here. Our laws on wages and our taxes and environmental issues all pile on costs that we hypocritically bypass by getting what we want done somewhere without all that.

You would have to take great comfort in not being dependant on another country we don't like to enable our way and standard of living. And due to the serious price increases the standard of living would have to decrease.
 
You would have to take great comfort in not being dependant on another country we don't like to enable our way and standard of living. And due to the serious price increases the standard of living would have to decrease.
People will happily (not sure it's the right word) endure hardships for doing the right thing, or at least, people did, these days with millennials wrapped in cotton wool offended by everything I'm not sure they could cope, but I'm sure they'll adapt when smacked in the face with reality
 
People will happily (not sure it's the right word) endure hardships for doing the right thing, or at least, people did, these days with millennials wrapped in cotton wool offended by everything I'm not sure they could cope, but I'm sure they'll adapt when smacked in the face with reality

What would happen is we swap it all to India.

At the very bottom of the barrel would be actually doing the risky manual jobs in this country and working out the maths of the money to do it.
 
What would happen is we swap it all to India.

At the very bottom of the barrel would be actually doing the risky manual jobs in this country and working out the maths of the money to do it.
How about we don't have such reliance on foreign nations ? Just because they're on friendly terms now, doesn't mean that won't change decades later
 
How about we don't have such reliance on foreign nations ? Just because they're on friendly terms now, doesn't mean that won't change decades later

Might amuse you to know that we were trading war related goods with Germany in the middle of WW1.

Not the UK, the British Empire at that time. Even back then with all that economic power it still sucked to make everything yourself.

Now we have super little manufacturing and are obliged to specialise to have value as a very medium sized country. We need friends that are differently useful and even if we whinge about other countries we still trade with basically all of them.

Human rights, terrible terrible (while signing new contracts and smiling for the handshake photo as the opposing number ignores everything they didn't care to hear).

Nationalism is a dream that requires us to have so much more than we actually have and then keep it to ourselves. Could be a nice dream but a nightmare if attempted in reality.
 
Biden has delivered an ultimatum to ByteDance; sell TikTok to non Chinese foreign investors or we will ban TikTok from the USA as well as the IPhone and Google app stores
 
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Whilst I support a ban on Tiktok I do find it more than a little hypocritical when 'our' businesses/governments spy on us under the auspices of loose EULA's...
 
Quite an up tick in Chinese military movements in the last couple of days - though I suspect it is mostly in response to US statements and events, etc.
 
People will happily (not sure it's the right word) endure hardships for doing the right thing, or at least, people did, these days with millennials wrapped in cotton wool offended by everything I'm not sure they could cope, but I'm sure they'll adapt when smacked in the face with reality
I disagree. People (in mass) will endure hardship if there is something tangible to gain. Just to feel good isn’t enough.
 
The NSA and GCHQ spy on everything with no ***** given about privacy or international borders

TikTok is actually worse than just spying. Sure for government employees yeah sure foreign spying is bad so ban the app from work phones etc. but for the general public, Xi Ping doesn't care about your stupid cat videos or what you ate for breakfast just like the NSA doesn't care about your cat videos or breakfast. What TikTok has been proven to do is basically turn kids into zombies - psychologically it has a massive negative impact on development and China knows this, that's why TikTok is banned in China because they don't want their own children turning into lazy drones. And then TikTok actively designs the app to push content to fasten the degradation of western society to make it weaker.

One of the major weaknesses of democracy is that it's become easier and easier for foreign countries to manipulate our population through the use of "free speech" and how slow democracies are to respond to new threats and regulation of new technology and media.
 
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The power of TikTok seems to be to get people to blindly follow some latest craze / meme / life hack and copy it. The ability for a government to influence that is quite worrying.

Wouldn't surprise me if the CCP put out an "Amazing Kitchen Life Hack" which ended up with millions of people in the West poisoning themselves. Or "OMG Anti-Gravity Trick" and kids start jumping off bridges :p
 
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The power of TikTok seems to be to get people to blindly follow some latest craze / meme / life hack and copy it. The ability for a government to influence that is quite worrying.

Wouldn't surprise me if the CCP put out an "Amazing Kitchen Life Hack" which ended up with millions of people in the West poisoning themselves. Or "OMG Anti-Gravity Trick" and kids start jumping off bridges :p

I'd support their efforts. Would clean up the genepool a little!
 
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TikTok is actually worse than just spying. Sure for government employees yeah sure foreign spying is bad so ban the app from work phones etc. but for the general public, Xi Ping doesn't care about your stupid cat videos or what you ate for breakfast just like the NSA doesn't care about your cat videos or breakfast. What TikTok has been proven to do is basically turn kids into zombies - psychologically it has a massive negative impact on development and China knows this, that's why TikTok is banned in China because they don't want their own children turning into lazy drones. And then TikTok actively designs the app to push content to fasten the degradation of western society to make it weaker.
Correction, Tiktok isn't banned in China. It has a different algorithm that pushes content to inspire kids into STEM fields.
 
Correction, Tiktok isn't banned in China. It has a different algorithm that pushes content to inspire kids into STEM fields.

I hope they learn how to do silly dances and act really really badly on the side though. Both essential life skills.

The strangest thing I find about video shorts is how many of them are really awfully acted and yet people lap them up. Someone then points out how fake it is and everyone jumps on them saying "yer we no but its still funny *skulll emoji*"

How is awful acting that is trying to pretend it authentic funny. The saddest thing is that far too often its parents who are getting their kids involved in their sad little charade.
 
The power of TikTok seems to be to get people to blindly follow some latest craze / meme / life hack and copy it. The ability for a government to influence that is quite worrying.

Wouldn't surprise me if the CCP put out an "Amazing Kitchen Life Hack" which ended up with millions of people in the West poisoning themselves. Or "OMG Anti-Gravity Trick" and kids start jumping off bridges :p

 
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