Taiwan and China thread.

*Pentagon Official: U.S. More Closely Scrutinizing Radar Since Chinese Balloon Discovery
*Pentagon Official: Chinese Spy Balloon Was Different Than Other Objects, Since U.S. Military Knew Exactly What It Was
*U.S. General: We Assess the Latest Object Shot Down on Sunday Was Not a Physical Threat, but It Is Still “an Unknown”
*U.S. General: Object Downed Over Lake Huron Likely Fell in Canadian Waters
*U.S. General: I Believe This Is the First Time in U.S. Airspace That U.S. Northern Command or Norad Have Taken Action Against an Airborne Object
*U.S. General Says Cannot Say How Latest Objects Are Staying Aloft, “We’re Calling Them Objects, Not Balloons for a Reason”
*Asked if He’s Ruled out Aliens, Top U.S. General Says He Hasn’t Ruled out Anything Yet
*Pentagon Official: U.S. Taking ‘Objects’ on Case by Case Basis When Determining Whether to Shoot Them Down

*U.S. Defense Official Says “No Indication of Aliens or Extraterrestrial Activity” in Recent Takedowns of Aerial Objects
 
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*Pentagon Official: U.S. More Closely Scrutinizing Radar Since Chinese Balloon Discovery
*Pentagon Official: Chinese Spy Balloon Was Different Than Other Objects, Since U.S. Military Knew Exactly What It Was
*U.S. General: We Assess the Latest Object Shot Down on Sunday Was Not a Physical Threat, but It Is Still “an Unknown”
*U.S. General: Object Downed Over Lake Huron Likely Fell in Canadian Waters
*U.S. General: I Believe This Is the First Time in U.S. Airspace That U.S. Northern Command or Norad Have Taken Action Against an Airborne Object
*U.S. General Says Cannot Say How Latest Objects Are Staying Aloft, “We’re Calling Them Objects, Not Balloons for a Reason”
*Asked if He’s Ruled out Aliens, Top U.S. General Says He Hasn’t Ruled out Anything Yet
*Pentagon Official: U.S. Taking ‘Objects’ on Case by Case Basis When Determining Whether to Shoot Them Down

*U.S. Defense Official Says “No Indication of Aliens or Extraterrestrial Activity” in Recent Takedowns of Aerial Objects
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So nowhere in there does the pentagon say they do not know how the objects propulsion works
 
So given the two recent UFOs are probably also some sort of Chinese spy aircraft (presumably smaller balloons?) you've gotta wonder how many others have slipped through the net in the past few years before the recent big spy balloon was discovered.

It seems the recent two were perhaps only picked up after the US changed some parameters as a result of the recent big balloon incident and statted looking at slower-moving objects:


It's a bit of a funny situation for China too if these are more balloons as they can't really control them, if they've been regularly sending up smaller balloons over the US without being detected for a while now then perhaps there are a few more already in flight that they can't do anything about? Or perhaps that was the case with the second UFO here.
 
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China is trying to save so much face because it's pathetic balloon that they claimed no plane in the world can shoot down, was in fact shot down by a plane.

A few days ago China claimed American balloons are currently flying over China and threatened to shoot them down; America responded by saying it's not ours, shoot it down if you wish. The Chinese have yet to actually shoot down these "American" balloons, I belive they won't because it's probably their own balloons and again this is just face saving measures to try and look tough to its people.


Oh and in China there is no such thing as private civilian business, everything is linked to the military and state, China claiming it's a private civilian balloon is just another example of spreading misinformation to abuse American free speech and sow distrust just as Russia and China have been doing for a long time.

There is a good video on YouTube by Laowhy exactly how that balloon is in fact linked to the Chinese military
 
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dowie said:
This was popping up in the Ukraine thread every so often so perhaps ought to have its own thread.

Rather than reply to this post in there I might as well use it to start this thread:



This is false, Pelosi has just landed:

edition.cnn.com

US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi lands in Taiwan amid threats of Chinese retaliation

US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi landed in Taipei on Tuesday, marking a significant show of support for Taiwan despite China's threats of retaliation over the visit.
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China is obviously going to be miffed by this what they're going to do in return isn't clear, I'd hope they're not stupid enough to actually take on the US directly via some sort of silly spat as that would almost certainly get a direct military response, but there is a risk that they might try and take a small Taiwanese island or try and ramp up exercises/incursions and that sort of stuff can lead to deadly mistakes too.
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I do hope people learn the real history of Taiwan!. It was Chinese President Chiang Kai-shek, Nationalists who brought all the US gold to Taiwan after losing the civil war in China. Read "Loss of China" was aided by the incompetence of Roosevelt's policy General George Marshall spent most of 1946 in China trying to negotiate a compromise, but failed.. Politicians have always argued that the international status of Taiwan is still undecided and that this has been used as an argument against the People's Republic of China's claim over Taiwan. IMO it will be another Asia war in our life time as the America is trying hard to to find any excuise to start a war with China and Taiwan will be another Ukraine war in a political war over power I do hope then the US starts this political war they loses the war and there ships too.

In war, whichever side may call itself the victor, there are no winners.
 
It would be difficult for Taiwan to cause such a threat to China with US backing that the Chinese feel there is no option but to go to war.

It is hard to read if China is going to kick off anything hot militarily against Taiwan - by Western standards they are moving that way comparatively slowly but that doesn't mean they'd necessarily go with what makes sense from a Western perspective.
 
AORUS said:
I do hope people learn the real history of Taiwan!. It was Chinese President Chiang Kai-shek, Nationalists who brought all the US gold to Taiwan after losing the civil war in China. Read "Loss of China" was aided by the incompetence of Roosevelt's policy General George Marshall spent most of 1946 in China trying to negotiate a compromise, but failed..
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So what? What is your point?

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Politicians have always argued that the international status of Taiwan is still undecided and that this has been used as an argument against the People's Republic of China's claim over Taiwan.
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That's just a fudge to pacify the PRC, they treat Taiwan mostly as being independent but have to keep a fudge in place primarily because of the PRC/CCP.

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IMO it will be another Asia war in our life time as the America is trying hard to to find any excuise to start a war with China and Taiwan will be another Ukraine war in a political war over power I do hope then the US starts this political war they loses the war and there ships too.
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You sound like a typical tankie, can guess what your views on Ukraine will be too. If China invades Taiwan then China is starting the war not the US, the US has no desire to start a war with China and the hostilities in that region right now are being caused by China.
 
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