I dunno - Trump does what is best for the greater glory of Trump at any moment in time, I think it almost impossible, other than being a right mess, to gauge how things would have gone under Trump. I don't think he is that in bed with the Russians as some think though also he certainly has some unhealthy admiration/involvement with/for Putin.
Taiwan and China thread.
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I dunno - Trump does what is best for the greater glory of Trump at any moment in time, I think it almost impossible, other than being a right mess, to gauge how things would have gone under Trump. I don't think he is that in bed with the Russians as some think though also he certainly has some unhealthy admiration/involvement with/for Putin.
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It was a slightly hyperbolic statement but no way Trump would have rallied NATO and the West or supplied Ukraine with up to date intelligence. Maybe they could have held on without the Wests help, I'm not sure they could have though.
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I mean just the idea that the same trump who blew up Syria, killed an Iranian General, started a Trade war with China and hit Russia with massive sanctions wouldn't have done anything for Ukraine is laughable. Look, I know that the hatred is so deeply ingrained that if Trump cured cancer, ended hunger and fixed climate control all overnight you'd still hate him and I don't care about that, but sometimes the reality you live in really needs to join-up to the one that rest of us live in once in a while, LOL!
The part that makes me laugh is that people on the forums some people were saying if trump was in charge he would have lead us into WW3. Now they are saying he would have let Russia invade.
Edit: wasn’t there some stuff with Iran at the start of 2020. It was overshadowed by other more pressing issues.
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He warned Russia before the Syria strike, the Iranian general is irrelevant, he was always going after Iran even before the election. Trade war did next to nothing, probably hit the US harder and he was forced to bail out US farmers for $b they lost. He threw the Kurds under the bus.
This is the man who attempted to blackmail Ukraine and its president and sacked the US ambassador to Ukraine when she didn't comply with his personal lawyer trying to create dirt on Biden in Ukraine. Don't try and claim he would have lifted a finger for Ukraine, he did the exact opposite.
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Ah, that was Biden - "If the prosecutor is not fired, you are not getting the money."
Opinion: Joe Biden Forced Ukraine to Fire Prosecutor for Aid Money
Best of the Web: During a Council on Foreign Relations discussion on January 23, 2018, former Vice President Joe Biden spoke about his dealings in Ukraine. Image: Shutterstock / AP / Composite: Brad Howard
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Jesus, how many times has this been gone over.Ah, that was Biden - "If the prosecutor is not fired, you are not getting the money."
Opinion: Joe Biden Forced Ukraine to Fire Prosecutor for Aid Money
Best of the Web: During a Council on Foreign Relations discussion on January 23, 2018, former Vice President Joe Biden spoke about his dealings in Ukraine. Image: Shutterstock / AP / Composite: Brad Howard
BBC Video of the interview -
He demanded that a corrupt prosecutor be fired.
Trump Revives False Narrative on Biden and Ukraine - FactCheck.org
At a campaign rally in Iowa, President Trump cited an unsubstantiated news report to revive a widely debunked false narrative about Joe Biden's work in Ukraine on behalf of the Obama administration.
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Ah, that was Biden - "If the prosecutor is not fired, you are not getting the money."
Opinion: Joe Biden Forced Ukraine to Fire Prosecutor for Aid Money
Best of the Web: During a Council on Foreign Relations discussion on January 23, 2018, former Vice President Joe Biden spoke about his dealings in Ukraine. Image: Shutterstock / AP / Composite: Brad Howard
BBC Video of the interview -
You are embarrassing yourself now. Biden was acting on Obama's orders, who was backed up by the UK, EU, Canada, World Bank etc, they were all telling Ukraine the corrupt prosecutor had to go.
Now find me an occasion when Biden used his authority as VP or POTUS to blackmail a nation for his own political ends, not the nations, his own. I'll wait but I'll be waiting quite a while. And if he ever does do that I will be the first to say he should be impeached, removed and indicted.
What he has done is be front and centre of backing Ukraine from the beginning.
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So the prosecutor who was directly investigating Biden's son (well the company the son worked for to be accurate) was ordered by the US to be fired by Ukraine or the US would not provide $1 Billion in aid and then, seemingly out of the blue, the prosecutor was found to be corrupt, meaning he could be fired and Ukraine could get their money - Well I never!
I mean I can 100% guarantee that a country which was rated 58th most corrupt country in the world out of 180 when this event happened would not, in any single way, allow a mere $1 Billion loan to sway them in their investigations, no siree.TBF thats a little bit too CT even for me though but it's interesting as a mental exercise - is the job of a single person worth more than a $1 Billion loan your country desperately needs?
I know this hard for you to comprehend, due to the TDS you unfortunately can't escape from, but I'm absolutely in no way in any shape or form defending Trump for what he did (you DO understand that don't you?) - what I am saying is that I think he'd have done the same for Ukraine as Biden has and that apparently has raised a few hackles.
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China simulates hitting 'key targets' on Taiwan
The US says it is "monitoring Beijing's actions" as China's military drills round Taiwan continue.
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China simulates hitting 'key targets' on Taiwan
The US says it is "monitoring Beijing's actions" as China's military drills round Taiwan continue.www.bbc.co.uk
The sooner we detangle ourselves from China the better. It’ll cause less pain when the time comes. Good to see the US already taking strides to do it.
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China declares it is ready to smash 'any form of Taiwan independence'
China's military shared an animated clip which showed how it would launch an all-out attack of Taiwan, striking with missiles from land and sea before conducting its invasion
These diplomatic visits between US and Taiwan are kind of doing China a favour in that they get free training exercises out of it.
Compared to the way Russia stacked their military on the Ukraine border for weeks in advance, China can continue to do these simulations at intervals until one time they may decide to go for it. Feels a bit like roulette to me
If things gets stretched in Ukraine with it becoming a sinkhole for military resources I can see it playing into China's hands. There's apparently already a decade's worth of javelin supplies gone to Ukraine.
For China it might be a combination of opportune moment plus the prospect of losing Taiwan "forever" in a similar vein to Ukraine joining NATO.
Compared to the way Russia stacked their military on the Ukraine border for weeks in advance, China can continue to do these simulations at intervals until one time they may decide to go for it. Feels a bit like roulette to me
If things gets stretched in Ukraine with it becoming a sinkhole for military resources I can see it playing into China's hands. There's apparently already a decade's worth of javelin supplies gone to Ukraine.
For China it might be a combination of opportune moment plus the prospect of losing Taiwan "forever" in a similar vein to Ukraine joining NATO.
Unless China has also invented the ability to transport millions of men & materiel out of thin air then there is no hiding that sort of buildup, so yes of course they could perform air strikes but how useful is that without the ground invasion to quickly follow? Also it's morbid to say but Ukraine is the testing ground on how quickly USA (and a lesser extent other NATO countries) can scale up production after 20+ years of asymmetrical warfare.
If Taiwan put up even a bit of a fight the kind of scale of these simulations so far don't even come close to what China would need - most of it would get wrecked in the opening hours. They'll need to scale things up significantly yet.
As things stand China could attempt a meat grinder just throwing lots of disposable troops at it or just flatten the island with massive waves of missiles but neither really accomplish much, a more sophisticated assault is some way off yet, though their moves with the aircraft carriers is a bit concerning as it potentially takes some of the pressure off in terms of having the airfields in range to support the sortie rate by aircraft required to get the job done in any realistic manner which potentially means they could move the schedule forward a bit.
As things stand China could attempt a meat grinder just throwing lots of disposable troops at it or just flatten the island with massive waves of missiles but neither really accomplish much, a more sophisticated assault is some way off yet, though their moves with the aircraft carriers is a bit concerning as it potentially takes some of the pressure off in terms of having the airfields in range to support the sortie rate by aircraft required to get the job done in any realistic manner which potentially means they could move the schedule forward a bit.
Production has being scaled back so much.
Right now there is apparently 9 factories in Europe that can produce artillery shells and all 9 are producing for Ukraine and it's still not even close to how fast shells are being burnt on the front line
The West has designed its military to only be able to deal with small scale protracted engagements; for any large scale war the west has to win quickly through air dominance - and that's the problem; the west only keeps enough ammo to supply themselves for a couple weeks because they thought they'd just quickly overwhelm any adversary
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I have a friend in Taiwan, a lovely girl, was really thinking if I could help her out if the worst were to happen.
All this posturing eventually leads to something. Though i think if China went in it would be a blood bath for them, so they even know how to fight wars?
All this posturing eventually leads to something. Though i think if China went in it would be a blood bath for them, so they even know how to fight wars?
In a show of force, tomorrow the US and Philippines will hold their largest drills in decades across the South China Sea. Nearly 20 thousand ground forces, navy and Air Forces will participate - and these will include but are not limited to: air strikes with stealth fighters, artillery strikes with HIMARS, destroying enemy tanks with javelins and even a demonstration of blowing up enemy ships at sea
www.france24.com
US, Philippines launch largest-ever joint military drills across disputed waters
The United States and the Philippines on Tuesday launch their largest combat exercises in decades that will involve live-fire drills, including a boat-sinking rocket assault in waters across the South…
www.france24.com
China declares it is ready to smash 'any form of Taiwan independence'
China's military shared an animated clip which showed how it would launch an all-out attack of Taiwan, striking with missiles from land and sea before conducting its invasionwww.dailymail.co.uk
This is a joke. For amateur arm generals they will be super impressed by all those missiles, wow missile make big boom go boom.
And what they are forgetting is you can't invade a country by bombing it. The allies tried in ww2 and it didn't work, they had to enter Germany on foot. The Americans tried in the gulf war with the largest air dominance campaign in human history and it didn't work, they had to enter by tank. Russia tried in 2022/2023 by bombing Ukraine's infrastructure and it hasn't worked, they'll have to get to Kyiv on foot. And it wouldn't work here either.
China can do as many bombing drills as it wishes and they all mean nothing and they know it. If they want Taiwan they will need to land a million soldiers on the beaches and until they demonstrate They can do that, they don't have **** and they know it.
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