Talk Radio, Julia Hartley-Brewer, the Gender Pay Gap

[Martini1991]

Its about the choices Women make, they prefer to spend more time with their kids or just don't like working 60 hour weeks.

What are we going to do about that? force them to work more?

Nobody wants to work a 60 hour week, let alone likes it. (On the whole).

On the whole, I'm for equal opportunity, however not equal outcome.
There's a whole host of reasons why equal outcome isn't viable without "positive" discrimination.

 

[kissenger]

Employment lawyers and tribunals disagree with your opinions by using facts. There is inequality in the workplace, its not debatable. The reasons maybe are.

Seems like standard GD left rage.

If you can't present those facts, sorry but you lose the argument. The possibility that some tribunal lawyers somewhere have at some point ruled that there is gender discrimination in one particular case is besides the point. Point me to some reliable statistics showing that women are in general paid less than men doing the same job at the same level with the same experience.

 

[humbug]

Nobody wants to work a 60 hour week, let alone likes it. (On the whole).

On the whole, I'm for equal opportunity, however not equal outcome.
There's a whole host of reasons why equal outcome isn't viable without "positive" discrimination.

Equality of outcome is taking something someone earned to give it to someone who has not. its classic Socialism.

Fairly sick of this topic but figured it is an appropriate time to post this

 

[Martini1991]

Equality of outcome is taking something someone earned to give it to someone who has not. its classic Socialism.

Socialism isn't a dirty word.
Society suffers far too much for profit.

 

[humbug]

Socialism isn't a dirty word.
Society suffers far too much for profit.

In pragmatic moderation i agree.

 

[rare]

So you wouldn't mind if a women in your firm, doing the same job with the same skills, was paid more than you because she was female?

That would be illegal unless there other factors involved, for example her performance or time with the company.

 

[mid_gen]

It is a result of the lefts ideology of being utterly indiscriminate, for example anyone with an ounce of common sense can work out that female tennis players earning the same amount as men for playing less sets and less hours on court is grossly unfair on the men whose game is longer, more competitive and a far bigger generator of money.

Do you think tennis players just rock up at Wimbledon, then go back to their day jobs until the next tournament? Do you think women tennis players only do 60% of the training that men do?

Does it surprise you learn that the time spent actually competing is only a tiny, tiny percentage of the work that elite athletes put in?

Talking about common sense while coming out with this drivel....jesus

 

[chroniclard]

That would be illegal unless there other factors involved, for example her performance or time with the company.

It would but it happens, quite a lot, it will only come to light if the women(or man) actually makes a claim.

 

[chroniclard]

If you can't present those facts, sorry but you lose the argument. The possibility that some tribunal lawyers somewhere have at some point ruled that there is gender discrimination in one particular case is besides the point. Point me to some reliable statistics showing that women are in general paid less than men doing the same job at the same level with the same experience.

All the facts are presented, I am not going to name a friend on the internet thanks. Needless to say she is likely to receive 30k back pay because of it.

There are many factors of the pay gap, some are perfectly fine, others are not.

 

[chroniclard]

But yet you haven't yet produced any 'facts' to support an argument that women are to any significant statistical degree paid less because they are women and not due to other factors.

Standard GD 'left' arguing style?

I have provided a single case of fact and stated its not an uncommon incident due to the actual real world evidence of my wife's profession. My friend worked at a popular low cost airline who statistically has one of the worst gender pay gap issues in the country. May not be a huge proportion of the reasons but it does exist, fail to see the point in denying it.

 

[rare]

Airlines have gender pay gap because pilots are in the greater majority men. And shock horror, a pilot gets paid more than cabin crew, who tend to be women.

 

[Jokester]

Airlines have gender pay gap because pilots are in the greater majority men. And shock horror, a pilot gets paid more than cabin crew, who tend to be women.

And the easiest way for airlines to address this?

Hire more male cabin crew.

 

[rare]

Haha - solved...

I don’t think they should have to address it. If women want to become pilots, so long as there is nothing stopping them - what’s the problem.

Shock as women and men have different interests and priorities. Civilisation has known this for thousands of years, but the modern left can’t grasp it.

 

[kissenger]

All the facts are presented, I am not going to name a friend on the internet thanks. Needless to say she is likely to receive 30k back pay because of it.

There are many factors of the pay gap, some are perfectly fine, others are not.

Like I said. One case does not equal a trend you lose.

 

[Caracus2k]

I have provided a single case of fact

You have provided a third hand anecdote with no other information to back it up other than a guardian article which stated the what we already know.. Which is that there are differences in the averages of salaries for men and women which didnt contain any information to break down all the other variables to show that women were being paid less because they were women when other variables were accounted to.

I might as well say I was in the pub the other day when my mate, who works in HR, said there's is no element of the differences of the aggravated, averaged pay of men and women that is due to discrimination based on sex alone.

 

[Jokester]

Haha - solved...

I don’t think they should have to address it. If women want to become pilots, so long as there is nothing stopping them - what’s the problem.

Shock as women and men have different interests and priorities. Civilisation has known this for thousands of years, but the modern left can’t grasp it.

Indeed.

The government’s own figures show the real pay gap is less than 1% in the same job at the same company (one of the lowest in the EU).

 

[Caracus2k]

Socialism isn't a dirty word.

It absolutely is and should be a dirty word.

Socialism, being the ideology of the collective ownership of the means of production and distribution, axiomatically entails the forced seizure of any private enterprise or property as its logical ends.

It is a wicked and immoral idea both in theory and practice.

 

[chroniclard]

You people are like flat earthers.

 

[Jokester]

You people are like flat earthers.

Well, actually it’s people who maintain that women get paid less than than men in the same job that are like that as they are the ones ignoring actual statistical fact.

Hardly no one here will argue you against you for saying that premier league footballers get paid more than nurses. But what’s the problem with that?

 

[Caracus2k]

You people are like flat earthers.

I wasn't aware 'flat earthers' generally took an empirical approach, based on a wide range of data sets, to their beliefs and demanded that there was actually some verifiable basis for assertions made.

Quite comical that you should make such a comment when your 'evidence' so far has mostly consisted of you saying that someone you know knows another person who definetly thinks this is a thing. So it definetly is a thing but your not actually going to provide any information that can be independently tested to show this thing is a thing.