Tate Brothers - Round 2

[Christmas themed thank]

@C Kent showed in post 1093 how translating one of the alleged statements from English to Romanian and back to English can completely reverse the meaning. None of us know what he might actually have said. All we know is what has been alleged and that it is possible that the translation altered the meaning (or it may not have done - we simply don't know). If the original English statement had been provided by the BBC then we would know what was said.

Tate Brothers - Round 2

Isn't the disclosure of sensitive information pertaining to the prosecutions file bad for their case? As in it would likely result in a miss trial if it every actually did go anywhere.

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Fair enough, I concede to you both.

 

[visibleman]

@C Kent showed in post 1093 how translating one of the alleged statements from English to Romanian and back to English can completely reverse the meaning.

You would have to assume journalists, certainly the bigger outlets, were either given translated material, produced via a (native) human translator, or they have access to (human) translators rather than using online translators.
Although haven't seen any article stipulate that one way or another, so it's 50-50 i guess.

 

[Christmas themed thank]

Imagine somebody conceding they are wrong and gets laughed at. Never change gd.

 

[Hades]

Imagine somebody conceding they are wrong and gets laughed at. Never change gd.

Yes agree. If someone accepts another's argument then laughing at them is the wrong approach.

We can have a debate on here, back and forth. We are all right and all wrong at different times and on different matters. For someone to be open to accept a different viewpoint is a good thing and it shouldn't result in laughter.

Personally I appreciate you saying you conceded that argument.

 

[Tony Edwards]

All those that kept saying show us some evidence are all suddenly NO not that sort of evidence.

Make your minds up.

 

[Christmas themed thank]

All those that kept saying show us some evidence are all suddenly NO not that sort of evidence.

Make your minds up.

Which evidence do you refer?

 

[C Kent]

You would have to assume journalists, certainly the bigger outlets, were either given translated material, produced via a (native) human translator, or they have access to (human) translators rather than using online translators.
Although haven't seen any article stipulate that one way or another, so it's 50-50 i guess.

The bbc were given the docs in Romanian and then translated them back to english themselves, whether it was an online translation or a human we'll never know. Given how half arsed the beeb have been about the whole tate thing it wouldnt surprise me if they've used google translate

 

[Christmas themed thank]

The bbc were given the docs in Romanian and then translated them back to english themselves, whether it was an online translation or a human we'll never know. Given how half arsed the beeb have been about the whole tate thing it wouldnt surprise me if they've used google translate

We have no way of knowing.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Which evidence do you refer?

The evidence that the BBC have just reported?

Id like to state right now I think they as guilty as hell. Whether they get convicted or not is a different matter.

 

[Hades]

The bbc were given the docs in Romanian and then translated them back to english themselves, whether it was an online translation or a human we'll never know. Given how half arsed the beeb have been about the whole tate thing it wouldnt surprise me if they've used google translate

For a laugh I used Google to translate this to Romanian and then back to English:

The BBC received the documents in Romanian and then they translated them back into English themselves, whether it was an online translation or a man we will never know. Given how ****** off the beeb were about the whole tit thing, it wouldn't surprise me if they used google translate

 

[StriderX]

Is there any point in trying to use digital retranslation as an argument?

It's always been garbage, even the first translation is usually useless.

 

[VincentHanna]

No

Do we honestly think a prosecutor relies on google to translate things, rather than an actual human translator?

 

[C Kent]

Do we honestly think a prosecutor relies on google to translate things, rather than an actual human translator?

No one has claimed that

 

[Werewolf]

No

Do we honestly think a prosecutor relies on google to translate things, rather than an actual human translator?

It's pretty laughable, it's also laughable to think the BBC would given they're expected to broadcast coherently in dozens of countries and a lot of their journalists are able to speak at least two languages (certainly most of their "foreign language" journalists are able to speak English*), and they IIRC also maintain lists of the likes of local journalists and specialists in pretty much every country so if they need assistance in a story they can get it quickly, be it someone on the ground to cover something immediately or someone to provide specialist local assistance.



*I've had some lols over the years when people have complained that higher level BBC journalists are "paid too much" when that journalist might have had a couple of specialist degree relating to the country they're working in, and is fluent in at the very least the main language there (if not also several regional variations). Especially when I had an inkling of how much money could be earned just as a translator.

 

[Christmas themed thank]

No one has claimed that

The bbc were given the docs in Romanian and then translated them back to english themselves, whether it was an online translation or a human we'll never know. Given how half arsed the beeb have been about the whole tate thing it wouldnt surprise me if they've used google translate

So you did imply the BBC might have used Google Translate/an online translation tool and then you said it it explicitly. You didn't say the prosecutor TBF but it's not exactly a massive reach?

 

[C Kent]

So you did imply the BBC might have used Google Translate/an online translation tool and then you said it it explicitly. You didn't say the prosecutor TBF but it's not exactly a massive reach?

Only a half wit would think we're on about the prosecution when we've been explicitly talking about the bbc.

 

[Roar87]

Lucy Williamson is of course is not a specialist in Romania, she's worked in Paris, Korea, and Indonesia, and seems to have a very strong mutual dislike for Andrew Tate, who she presumed guilty prior to interviewing him, though apparently felt safe enough to enter his house.

 

[Christmas themed thank]

Only a half wit would think we're on about the prosecution when we've been explicitly talking about the bbc.

You can call me whatever you want but it's weird that you'd imply the BBC use Google Translate. I only assumed such a half-brained person would also assume the prosecutor was as stupid as you think the BBC is.

 

[Christmas themed thank]

Lucy Williamson is of course is not a specialist in Romania, she's worked in Paris, Korea, and Indonesia, and seems to have a very strong mutual dislike for Andrew Tate, who she presumed guilty prior to interviewing him, though apparently felt safe enough to enter his house.

So in summary she is a lot more travelled and familiar with international language and speech than you sitting in your basement.

 

[C Kent]

You can call me whatever you want but it's weird that you'd imply the BBC use Google Translate. I only assumed such a half-brained person would also assume the prosecutor was as stupid as you think the BBC is.

I think you are a very strange individual going around 'picking fights' with anyone and every one personally.

Lucy Williamson is of course is not a specialist in Romania, she's worked in Paris, Korea, and Indonesia, and seems to have a very strong mutual dislike for Andrew Tate, who she presumed guilty prior to interviewing him, though apparently felt safe enough to enter his house.

oh damn, it didnt even click that the author of the bbc article was the same person that embarrassed herself with the tate interview.