Team Group Dark Pro "8 Pack Edition" 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C14 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black

[MasterOC]

Just do a search for "Ram Cooling Fan". I don't think our hosts sell them, but other e-tailers do. I have 2 but they came for free with a couple of DDR3 kits i bought years ago. As it happens, if you want to clock your ram past 3333 on Ryzen, it's always a good idea to use active cooling. It adds very little noise if you want a quiet system but can make a lot of difference to hitting a much higher ram clock. It can also help to spread a bit extra cooling to the VRM's as well if you are liquid cooled.

Can’t see this chip doing more than 3200mhz even with b die but live to be surprised , the missus needs a new kit for her platform upgrade but tempted to give her this fury kit in mine and upgrade , try get the most out my cpu where possible . Plenty of airflow in the chassis and have a radiator above the banks being used an exhaust so not to worried about overly direct cooling , I’m just unsure as to weather they absolutely need heatspreders . Tbf my MoBo is pants and could do with all the vrm cooling it can get .

 

[Silent_Scone]

I didnt buy different ram to what I already had, see my newer post.

When I got the box I didnt have the old box to hand so when I opened the box the rebrand from teamgroup dark pro to tforce was not immediatly apparent.

The first sign something might be up was when installing the sticks as the logo is t force not team group, but that could be a simple rebrand, the sticker on the box still says 3200CL14 and also 8pack logo is on the box.
I didnt notice the second sign of the CL15 XMP until I loaded up cpuz after they were installed.

So perhaps its not a good idea to make assumptions right.

old box is on the left, I had to look for it, it wasnt at hand when I opened the new box, but notice the label on bottom of right box has matched specs.

It's fine to make assumptions in this case, as you're still wrong. Combining memory kits is ill advised. Memory is binned in the density it is sold in, by combining kits you are eating into the guardband put in place by the vendor. Don't do it if not willing or have the nous to tune manually.

 

[chrcoluk]

Yes on the different memory kits, but I was talking about buying mismatching SKUs.

I never said I was unwilling to do any tuning either.

The problem in my case has turned out to be that the secondary dimm slots are simply not capable of running this ram to spec, in a 2 or 4 dimm configuration.

The XMP issue in CPUZ is odd and actually is happening on the older kit not the newer kit, its unrelated to which dimm slots are used or if kits are used together. I think that is why I was asked for the serial numbers. The bios does recognise the right XMP profile.

So assumptions that the problem is caused by buying mismatched SKUs is wrong on 2 accounts, as the problem was due to the dimm slots on my board (I dont know if its a common problem across all boards of this model or my board has a specific issue), and also that I didnt pick out a different SKU on the website to purchase.

 

[Rensin]

@8 Pack

Are you able to give some advice please,

I purchased 2x 8 pack TG 3200MHZ which worked spot on on my X99 system.

I've upgraded to TR and have some issues, the PC feels very sluggish/lagging, I've also been getting a BSOD which is caused by GPU (replacement GPU also gets a BSOD)

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/thread_stuck_in_device_driver.18824117/

I think my issues are RAM related and have been testing today and have noticed if I run 1 stick, PC works as it should bloody quick no matter which stick I try.

If I install 2 sticks for dual channel (slots A2, B2) this is where the problems start, the PC is sluggish with or without XMP ... I've increased the volts to 1.37v dropping the timings but nothing ... obviously running all 4 sticks is the same.

Also running 1 stick of RAM I can restart the PC but adding more sticks and the PC hangs and have to do a hard reset (sounds stupid)

The stteings amd matt suggested when I first setup the TR build worked slightly but things seem worse now, I've ran memtest overnight without issues (could only test all 4 sticks at once)

Would appreciate any info cheers.

TR 1950x (no oc)
Taichi x399
32GB TG RAM
MSI 390x
Corsair HX850i PSU

 

[kitfit1]

@8 Pack

Are you able to give some advice please,

I purchased 2x 8 pack TG 3200MHZ which worked spot on on my X99 system.

I've upgraded to TR and have some issues, the PC feels very sluggish/lagging, I've also been getting a BSOD which is caused by GPU (replacement GPU also gets a BSOD)

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/thread_stuck_in_device_driver.18824117/

I think my issues are RAM related and have been testing today and have noticed if I run 1 stick, PC works as it should bloody quick no matter which stick I try.

If I install 2 sticks for dual channel (slots A2, B2) this is where the problems start, the PC is sluggish with or without XMP ... I've increased the volts to 1.37v dropping the timings but nothing ... obviously running all 4 sticks is the same.

Also running 1 stick of RAM I can restart the PC but adding more sticks and the PC hangs and have to do a hard reset (sounds stupid)

The stteings amd matt suggested when I first setup the TR build worked slightly but things seem worse now, I've ran memtest overnight without issues (could only test all 4 sticks at once)

Would appreciate any info cheers.

TR 1950x (no oc)
Taichi x399
32GB TG RAM
MSI 390x
Corsair HX850i PSU

I've just looked at the manual for your mobo and to be honest it's just about the most uninformative i think i've ever read, especially in relation to ramslot use.
What you have described sounds like a classic case of using the WRONG ramslots. Because the manual for your mobo is so vague, i can't give you any advice other that i'm certain you are using the wrong ramslots.

 

[Rensin]

I've just looked at the manual for your mobo and to be honest it's just about the most uninformative i think i've ever read, especially in relation to ramslot use.
What you have described sounds like a classic case of using the WRONG ramslots. Because the manual for your mobo is so vague, i can't give you any advice other that i'm certain you are using the wrong ramslots.

Hi kitfit,

I've double checked the usermanual and all sticks are in the correct slots. (A2, B2, C2, D2)

These were the same slots used on my X99 setup.

 

[kitfit1]

Hi kitfit,

I've double checked the usermanual and all sticks are in the correct slots. (A2, B2, C2, D2)

These were the same slots used on my X99 setup.

Intel and AMD don't use the same ramslot config. I run a CH6 and the slots to use for 2 sticks in dual channel are A2 and B2. It must be different for TR because it's quad channel. I'm thinking it's more likely to be A2, B2, A1, B1 for 4 sticks. Could be wrong of course, but that's what i would try.

 

[Rensin]

Intel and AMD don't use the same ramslot config. I run a CH6 and the slots to use for 2 sticks in dual channel are A2 and B2. It must be different for TR because it's quad channel. I'm thinking it's more likely to be A2, B2, A1, B1 for 4 sticks. Could be wrong of course, but that's what i would try.

ok will give it a try, the manual also states for dual channel is A2 & B2. I'll take a look at other manufacture's manuals to see what ram config they suggest.

Infact x99 was also quad channel?

Edit

Nope, ram slots seem to be correct, both Asus & Gigabyte show the same slots for quad channel.

 

[kitfit1]

ok will give it a try, the manual also states for dual channel is A2 & B2. I'll take a look at other manufacture's manuals to see what ram config they suggest.

Infact x99 was also quad channel?

I think you have to give it a try because your mobo manual is a clear as MUD lol. I know the x99 is quad, but as i said, Intel and AMD's ram configs are completely different.

 

[Rensin]

I think you have to give it a try because your mobo manual is a clear as MUD lol. I know the x99 is quad, but as i said, Intel and AMD's ram configs are completely different.

will do mate, I'll have to try tomorrow as just started to render out a few videos.

Think the easiest thing to do would be to drop Asrock support a message on the RAM config to see what they say.

cheers.

 

[chrcoluk]

when you said memtest you meant HCI memtest right? if not test with HCI, min coverage 200%, ideally 1000% if you have the patience.

and that ran all night with 0 errors?

also do a run with karhu ramtest as well.

Also is cpu overclocked?

 

[Rensin]

when you said memtest you meant HCI memtest right? if not test with HCI, min coverage 200%, ideally 1000% if you have the patience.

and that ran all night with 0 errors?

also do a run with karhu ramtest as well.

Also is cpu overclocked?

No memtest86 and yeah it was about 14 hours with 0 errors ... ill try HCI tomorrow.

No overclock mate, all stock and using xmp.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Yes on the different memory kits, but I was talking about buying mismatching SKUs.

I never said I was unwilling to do any tuning either.

The problem in my case has turned out to be that the secondary dimm slots are simply not capable of running this ram to spec, in a 2 or 4 dimm configuration.

The XMP issue in CPUZ is odd and actually is happening on the older kit not the newer kit, its unrelated to which dimm slots are used or if kits are used together. I think that is why I was asked for the serial numbers. The bios does recognise the right XMP profile.

So assumptions that the problem is caused by buying mismatched SKUs is wrong on 2 accounts, as the problem was due to the dimm slots on my board (I dont know if its a common problem across all boards of this model or my board has a specific issue), and also that I didnt pick out a different SKU on the website to purchase.

It has nothing to do with the SKU, you still don’t seem to understand. I can say with absolute certainty it is not the DIMM slots. Memory is binned in the CAPACITY it is sold in. If the slots are able to function at JEDEC then there is nothing wrong with them. Simply buy a singular kit and you limit the struggle you’re facing. Even then, nothing is certain, it’s possible the rules still need some work on those boards. 3400-3600 ratios can be troublesome this gen, where as 4000 is quite strong.

Read here: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthre...e-memory-kits!-The-meat-and-potatoes-overview

 

[Rensin]

when you said memtest you meant HCI memtest right? if not test with HCI, min coverage 200%, ideally 1000% if you have the patience.

and that ran all night with 0 errors?

also do a run with karhu ramtest as well.

Also is cpu overclocked?

ok, have tried HCI several times this morning and each time getting errors within 15-20 minutes.

This was the latest, XMP is enabled (3200Mhz) but I've increased RAM voltage to 1.39v and SOC to 1.2v (just for the last test)

Going to try with XMP disabled.

 

[Rensin]

To add to the above,

Removed XMP Profile and ran at stock speed (2333 @ 16-15-15-36) and got to 270% with no errors but had a BSOD ... "Page fault in non paged area"

Re-enabled XMP (3200 @ 14-14-14-31) and within 5 mins started to get errors, I increased voltages as above still the same.

I guess I am best off testing 1 stick at a time for the next few nights.

 

[kitfit1]

I still think you are running them in the wrong slots. But what do i know, i only run 4 sticks of the same B-die in a CH6 at 3533Mhz with 14-15-15-15 timings.

 

[Rensin]

I still think you are running them in the wrong slots. But what do i know, i only run 4 sticks of the same B-die in a CH6 at 3533Mhz with 14-15-15-15 timings.

Forgot to change slots for all 4 sticks.

I tried multiple slots for dual channel and got an error code "d0" ... the recommended slots for dual channel are the same as you mentioned above (A2,B2)

 

[opethdisciple]

Your running 4 sticks of 8 right? So all slots are already populated?

Ryzen is a dog when it comes to ram. And that's with 2 sticks of 8Gb. I think the issue just gets compounded at 32Gb's.

From my experience with Ryzen I don't think any manner of fiddling is going to solve your problem.

Either:

1. Mobo cant do it.
2. Ram cant do it (one stick of dodgy ram for example)
3. IMC on your TR is pants.
4. A combination of the above.

Try one stick at a time, get one stick stable. Then try 2, then 3 and then 4.

My guess is as you increase the ram you will start getting errors. Most likely pointing at IMC on chip.

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The way I solved my issue was to run the ram at DOCP but set the speed to 3133MHz.

Job done.

 

[Rensin]

I still think you are running them in the wrong slots. But what do i know, i only run 4 sticks of the same B-die in a CH6 at 3533Mhz with 14-15-15-15 timings.

Just tried all 4 sticks in the slots you said and the memory will only run in "dual channel"

Installing all 4 sticks in A1,B1,C1,D1 also gave the error "D0" but would boot into windows at default speeds.

 

[Rensin]

Your running 4 sticks of 8 right? So all slots are already populated?

Ryzen is a dog when it comes to ram. And that's with 2 sticks of 8Gb. I think the issue just gets compounded at 32Gb's.

From my experience with Ryzen I don't think any manner of fiddling is going to solve your problem.

Either:

1. Mobo cant do it.
2. Ram cant do it (one stick of dodgy ram for example)
3. IMC on your TR is pants.
4. A combination of the above.

Try one stick at a time, get one stick stable. Then try 2, then 3 and then 4.

My guess is as you increase the ram you will start getting errors. Most likely pointing at IMC on chip.

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The way I solved my issue was to run the ram at DOCP but set the speed to 3133MHz.

Job done.

thanks you for the info.

I'm running 4x8GB sticks so still 4 slots free.

I'll test each stick over the next few nights at stock speed for any errors (don't think there is) ... than will try again at 3000Mhz.

cheers