Terminator: Dark Fate

The trouble is with time travel is that a) it's pure fiction b) regardless of how you spin it it can never make any sense.

Fundamentally, this is the problem...

If you send someone back in time and his decisions affect your (future/present) reality, then your own reality is now in an indeterminate state (the writer now has to decide what happens to the future/present by making up his own rules, which he'll probably break anyhow). If you send someone back in time and it simply causes a so-called "branch" in reality, then there's no point doing it in the first place.

All in all, stories that rely on time travel as a central plot device never stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Because time travel cannot be possible without creating so many paradoxes that it would fundamentally undo the universe.


That's assuming what scientists THINK happens with time travel is correct, they're a long way off proving anything. In all likelihood it'll always be theoretical, at least in our lifetimes.
 
Funnily enough there was no science in my post at all :D

Time travel is fiction and I'm as sure as I can be that it just isn't possible, now or ever.

It's fun to think about occasionally, tho. Take one of the most basic paradoxes... you go back in time and kill your younger self/parents. What happens? What happens in the future you left, and what happens in the past you now occupy? Frankly the whole thing is just completely absurd.

Here's another question. You go back in time but the rest of the world doesn't. Why does your position/perspective (ie in the past) take primacy over those who remained in the future? Why would your actions affect their reality in any way? If you can go back at all then you prove that time isn't linear, so why would the little bubble of time you inhabit take precedence over the future time inhabited by everyone else? Why should your actions affect them? And surely you can't make reality cease to exist for billions of others by jumping into the past yourself.

Then if time isn't linear you need there to be enough energy to store the positions of every atom in the entire universe at every state they ever occupied for all time, such that somebody can jump back in time to any past they desire.

Literally nothing about time travel makes any sense in the slightest. It's pure fiction.

If its ever proven or disproven or demonstrated it'll be long after our lifetimes. Hundreds if not thousands of years away.
 
Does seem to be on a wider scope than previous movies, shooting done in Spain and Arnie apparently started filming scenes in Budapest yesterday. Bit of a change from U.S. and Mexico.
 
I assume that's the new sarah connor freedom figher? I was speaking about the little brunette. Why three women anyway? Is this a hollywood thing (like ghostbusters remake)


Dunno, Arnie is rumoured to have 2 roles in the movie as well so maybe it shows why the previous t800's were modelled after him, probably have some kind of flashback scene showing him being captured (digitally de-aged naturally) and used as a template for the T-800 then him somehow escaping. Hopefully have a trailer in the next few months so be interesting to see what the setting is like.
 
Some early scenes were shown at some convention, description below:

The first footage opens on Mexico City at night. On a highway on a bridge, the road begins to ice up and electricity begins to crackle all around it while a thick wall of fog appears. A time travel bubble materializes in the middle of the bridge, breaking it in half and sending the female figure within it flying several dozen feet to the ground below, while the cars on the highway crash into each other — perhaps a nod to how time travel in past films always seems to take place on level ground. Two onlookers, a Mexican couple making out in the river tunnel, pick up the naked and groggy time traveler, who is revealed to be Mackenzie Davis. Davis’ character is either a Terminator or enhanced in some way, as evidenced by the way she reacts and attacks the cops that approach her when they arrive on the scene. The attack is shown in Davis’ character’s POV, with on-screen displays from her vision popping up onscreen. The couple watches in amazement and utter, “Thanks lady, you just saved our asses.” She replies to not thank her just yet and, sizing up her foot against the guy’s foot, takes his clothes and drives off in their car.

In a new scene, black metallic T-1000 style sludge forms into the villain (Gabriel Luna) who can split into two and reform another Terminator. He and an endoskeleton Terminator chase after Davis’ character, who is protecting a young girl. “When they start to kill me, run” Davis says to the little girl before Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton) suddenly appears and begins blasting at the Terminators with a huge gun. Battle-worn and badass, Sarah Connor then pulls a rocket launcher off her shoulder and blows the Terminator away.

The last piece of footage includes a montage of Luna’s liquid Terminator slicing through soldiers in a hallway with sharp arms, Sarah Connor fighting alongside Arnold Schwarzenegger’s T-800, a shot of the T-800 bursting through a door in a helicopter, a glimpse of Davis blasting Terminators with tentacles in what appears to be a Judgment Day-ravaged battlefield, and finally a closing shot of Sarah Connor dropping a bomb over the side of a bridge and cooly saying, “I’ll be back.”
 
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I still think it had a good chance to be good. Cameron has been involved in the writing room from the start, and the Director talking about seems to have a level head as to what makes the other work. Plus they are just saying the other films never happened.

Personally i think they should have finished it with T2, but if you have Time Travel involved in a Movie it leaves it open for a lot more.
 
I was never THAT keen on the original Terminator but T2 is still one of my favourite films of all time......never really liked Rise or Genisys, but don't mind Salvation ( on the level of "same universe, different story")

Havent much hope on this one

My big problem with Salvation was the lack of any actual Terminators. You only see a couple of T600's during the whole course of the movie and at that time point they were meant to be the most common model. Also, the Arniebot having Connor in it's hands and instead of just snapping his neck and changing the outcome of the War there and then, it decides to throw him around instead. Totally dumb writing. Connor is always meant to be just out of reach, it makes no sense for the Terminator not to kill him when it manages to grab him
 
Looks like they took a few notes from the Genisys John Connor terminator, looks like nanotech instead of liquid metal for the terminator in this.
 
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