Terminator: Dark Fate
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The terminator movie set in the future that inexplicably had barely any terminators in it?
Yup, its sole purpose is to kill John Connor but instead of doing that lets chuck him around instead of pulling his head out of his ass.
Didn't say it was perfect
It could have been a good movie but they took the wrong approach to it, they set it early in the future war instead of the future war that's always been in flashbacks. Just looked like a random desert area with a couple of older terminators farting around not doing much.
The original ending that leaked was supposedly only part of what happened:
I take it you never watched salvation? For a future run by machines there's barely any of them in the movie. At least in the traditional "Terminator" sense, there's a few gimmick ones that only appear in this movie.
There's a few things in both the casting and this trailer that leads me to think either the ending of T-2 is going to be changed via time travel, or we're going to see John Connor in a few sequences directly after the ending of T-2, and a few years down the line before he gets taken out by another T-800.
They have hired some kid to play John Connor at the age he was in T-2 and he looks very similar, so from that it looks like they're going to at least show some events directly after T-2. I reckon "Arniebot" is the one that takes John Connor out, he has battle damage so it would make some sense as in every other Terminator they seem to arrive in perfect condition (and not old). Legion succeeds\replaces Skynet and due to this it erases his programming or puts him in dormant mode as Skynet is out of the picture, he's reactivated and reprogrammed years later by Short haired Blondie. Sarah's reaction to Arniebot and telling him shes going to kill him sort of suggest this is the Terminator that finally took John Connor out.
They have hired some kid to play John Connor at the age he was in T-2 and he looks very similar, so from that it looks like they're going to at least show some events directly after T-2. I reckon "Arniebot" is the one that takes John Connor out, he has battle damage so it would make some sense as in every other Terminator they seem to arrive in perfect condition (and not old). Legion succeeds\replaces Skynet and due to this it erases his programming or puts him in dormant mode as Skynet is out of the picture, he's reactivated and reprogrammed years later by Short haired Blondie. Sarah's reaction to Arniebot and telling him shes going to kill him sort of suggest this is the Terminator that finally took John Connor out.
Salvation looked to use about 3 set locations, had barely any robots, and yet still managed to cost $200 million. $150 million of that must have went up the primary casts noses.
Why would this Legion thing care about John Connor? Assuming the old Arniebot wasn't sent back in time by future Legion but by future Skynet (from a future that now doesn't happen) then present-day Legion knows nothing about John Connor or his role in fighting Skynet... so why would it want him killed?
This is the problem with time travel. It quickly makes no sense at all
Well the target is no longer John Connor as he's dead by this point via the skynet (assumed) arniebot, its this hispanic girl thats the new target.
Time travel never really makes much sense in these movies, hopefully they do a reasonable job of explaining whats going on.
I should probably watch the trailer
Nope, this is a different one. I reckon its the one that finally kills John Connor and the events from that create this Legion thing which is an alternate timeline or something along those lines.
The future war was interesting, as was "pops" vs the fully digital younger version of himself, though having the "i've been waiting for you" line and only turning up with a shotgun seemed a bit dumb, even if the plan was to have an ambush set up with a .50 cal.
One major problem is with the exception of Salvation, T3 and Genisys were essentially re-treads of T2. They need to get away from that entirely and have the future war be a main component of any future movie.
I watched the ending sequence of salvation last night, the T-800 throws connor around no less than 3 times, twice as arniebot and once as the endoskeleton. Cg was well done in that sequence i have to say.
Also lol at the idea of fighting a terminator with a grappling hook. Let me know how that works out for you
Quite well going by the trailer.
With the first movie it was probably more due to the budget available. I know for Salvation they did something to the film that added more of a silver hue to it to make things look a bit different
"The film used Technicolor's Oz process during post-production. This is a partial silver retention on the interpositive, similar to bleach bypass, which will be used to lend to the sense of detachment from the modern world McG was looking for.["
A lot of the effects in T2 that people think were CG were also practical. Bullet hits on the t1000, the head split from the shotgun and the way it got blown up at the end before falling into the steel were all practical effects.
More a matter of it being easier and quicker to do in cgi, no real point in having people try to design something then have to trouble shoot it etc and then end up with a bunch of limitations on what it can or can't do or what camera angles it works from, vs a cgi variation that can be easier and quicker to do as well as having less limitations.
People really have this weird rose tinted view of T-2 that the effects were so much better vs todays effects, when Genisys came out people were saying that the t-1000 visual effects didn't look as good as the original in T2, but if you compare them side by side the Genisys version looks much better as it's fluid moves better, its reflections work better etc. People seem to put the effects from T2 on some kind of imaginary pedestal and act like they can't be beaten for some reason or other.
For the most part it does, it's only when people are trying to replicate humans that it's a longer process as anything even slightly off about it ruins the illusion.
Theres a few shots of the young arniebot in genisys that you wouldn't know are cg, the whole scene was filmed with a body double but it had to be totally redone as a digital arnold.
Ita far easier and quicker to go through digital iterations of a character than having to build multiple practical models from the ground up then rig them with animatronics etc.
Got a link to that vid? Cant say i noticed anything like that in the trainwreck reboot.
Don't think so.
That's the hispanic girl that's being protected, does look a bit like her in that scene, though.