Terminator: Dark Fate

Gerard · 23 May 2019 at 20:41

If they dont go with the forced Arnie humour that was in Genisys and feel the need to recycle lines from past movies....it would be a nice change.

Gerard · 24 May 2019 at 00:03

Meddling-Monk said:
Might just be me, but a few of those scenes in the trailer looked really fake (more year 2004 CGI than 2019). In particular I note the three following scenes are being rather poor:

1. The terminator liquifying themselves and moving themselves out from the truck onto the bonnet, it looked "too much" like the photoshop liquify option (where it skews the image), rather than actually showing an actual "liquid" effect.

2. Sarah firing an RPG at the Terminator on the highway. The explosion looked out of place, flat, and not physics appropriate for the explosion you'd expect from the angle we see. It looks like the old way of superimposing a 2D CGI explosions in games on top of areas where it detonates without a care in the world as to how it would interact three dimensionally around it.

3. The last scene where we see the Terminators face reform, there's no shadowing of any kind, only a 3D mesh of where the "liquid" process can't go from physically. Looks really jarring because it's still using the same "liquify" effect from point 1 above, and also no shadows of any kind that you'd expect from the "mass" of the "liquid" moving and blocking light as necessary. (It does however have some reflection, but no shadow/blocking of light)

Also, the "physics" of the last fight in the trailer seems very off. It's almost watching partial Wuxia acrobatics flipping around the place from the "force" of the impacts being thrown about, rather than appearing to be a VERY heavy object being hit by a massive force and flipping appropriately.

Needs more work I feel.

The effects used in these trailers are usually first pass, people said the same thing about the effects in the Genisys trailer as well.

Gerard · 24 May 2019 at 16:51

Meddling-Monk said:
Only problem is, the Genesis version got the better vfx on it during trailer time. I hope they really do up the vfx on it if it is supposed to be the Nanobot/Nannites from Genesis, otherwise it's gonna look really out of place once you see it on the big screen.

The connor terminator only came along in later trailers much closer to release, so it was more polished in terms of effects. The director of the movie was apparently ****** off that the production company decided to spoil the movies big surprise in a trailer.

Gerard · 24 May 2019 at 20:03

The new terminator isn't liquid metal, it's more like connor from Genisys, nanotechnology from the looks of it.

Gerard · 26 May 2019 at 17:09

wolfie138 said:
but again, how could this pass through the time device? it needs the field of a living organism.

There was an explanation for the t1000 from the visual effects guy in t2 about this, could also apply to the other terminators.

That idea (flesh cocoon) was one we had bandied about during pre-production, but it was something that we thought would be too confusing to show visually it would have been like when Brett finds the shed alien skin in Alien. I still think it's the most logical explanation, given we see a flesh "mold" in the teaser trailer already. The other possibilities are that 1) the T-1000 could mimic the field generated by a living organism or 2) Reese really does NOT know tech stuff. Note that several comics and other media later played off the idea of surgically embedding weapons into human carriers and ripping them out of them once they arrived

Originally there was suppose to be a scene showing officer Joe Austin finding the skin. it was something that we thought would be too confusing to show visually it would have been like when Brett finds the shed alien skin in Alien

Gerard · 26 May 2019 at 18:13

wolfie138 said:
reese was a sergeant in Tech-com, i think he'd have a working knowledge. as for not showing the cocoons, i can't recall having seen anything like that in the scripts, which i would assume the pre-prod discussions would be based on. whatever, the other excuses seem to belittle the knowledge the T fans have; i personally think they would have twigged no problem, if it had been shot right.

Well that's straight from the mouth of someone who worked on the movies and was involved in sequences, with a better idea of what was going on than most. Three reasons of why\how the liquid metal terminators can time travel, and any one can be feasible. They do say in t2 the t1k is made of mimetic poly alloy so presumably it mimicking a human field to get where it needs to go is the most plausible.

Gerard · 27 May 2019 at 16:27

What really baffles me about the Terminator franchise is they have never properly explored the most obvious option, the future war. One of the producers on Genisys said that online opinion was people wanted to see the future war so they did the biggest future war sequence out of all the movies. So if that was online opinion why not base the entire movie around that? Salvation sort of done the future war but it was very different from the flashback sequences, plus the movie barely had any terminators at all.

Just find it hard to understand why they insist on going back to the modern day setting, as invariably comparisons will be drawn with T2. A proper future war movie could give them far more options than the movies have done to date, yet for whatever reason they keep going back to this modern day setting. Suppose its possible that if this movie is a success the next one will take place in the future, remains to be seen.

Gerard · 27 May 2019 at 21:30

iamtheoneneo said:
Future war was covered pretty often in the tv series if you watched that. I think if I remember correctly John ends up going to the future in the season 2 finale before it got cancelled.

I agree though it's often the most interesting stuff that the movies tend to skip over.

Yeah they done some of it in the tv show, pretty low budget and it would look much better as part of a movie. That show was doomed from the start, it barely got renewed for a second season, for every 2 or 3 decent episodes there were several boring filler episodes with virtually nothing happening. The writers just seemed to pad out the story far too much and ratings dropped like a stone.

You could have easily covered season 1 and 2 with about 20 episodes instead of the 31 they put out.

Gerard · 3 Jun 2019 at 17:20

Rumour\potential spoiler doing the rounds

Terminator 2: Judgement Day saw Sarah Connor, John Connor, and the T-800 wipe out Cyberdyne, the company responsible for Skynet. The T-1000 was sent back in time to take out John Connor in the movie and ultimately failed. In Terminator: Dark Fate, there is no Skynet and it reportedly takes place in an alternate timeline after the events of Judgement Day. The new threat is allegedly called Legion, who has sent back a new Terminator to kill John Connor, who is reportedly in the movie, but not for long.

Now that John Connor is out of the picture, Daniella "Dani" Ramos is the new savior and ultimately the new target . Rev-9 is the advanced Terminator prototype, who is played by Gabriel Luna. He is sent back in time to take down Dani. This leads us to a new resistance against Legion, which is unknown at this time. This unidentified resistance sends a cyborg assassin Grace to protect Dani. In other words, it sounds pretty much like the other movies James Cameron did in the franchise.

Gerard · 3 Jun 2019 at 17:28

This is great

Gerard · 4 Jun 2019 at 00:21

tek81 said:
I was hoping the film would discount all others after T2 and class them as occuring in an alternate timeline, in order to create a slightly less convoluted sequel. Starting to doubt that's going to happen.

That more or less what is what's meant to be going on, nothing after t2 matters and this is an alternate timeline. Going by the leaks at least.

Gerard · 4 Jun 2019 at 21:46

Oh god,

Gerard · 8 Jun 2019 at 21:37

Bigpig said:
I honestly don't know what to say.

Half feel like going out into the back garden lighting a bonfire and throwing my very expensive Terminator collection on to it.

Or you could wait and see how the movie turns out, with all the cack ones over the years this might be a change.

Gerard · 18 Jul 2019 at 22:01

Mark1989 said:
Edward Furlong coming back to John Connor role so he does have some part in it then.

It's only meant to be his face from t2 being superimposed onto a body double from what i've read.

Gerard · 18 Jul 2019 at 22:19

Mark1989 said:
It was Tim Miller who confirmed it today be strange to state it if just gonna be some cgi *****

This is the kid doing the part for him in his younger years.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9894886/?ref_=tt_cl_t14

Be weird if Furlong did make an actual appearance, last i heard he looked rough as a Badgers arse and had piled on a load of weight.

Gerard · 18 Jul 2019 at 23:56

wellsy said:

Yeah hes had some bad years, drugs etc. He's meant to be in better shape now though not seen anything pic wise to confirm it.

Gerard · 20 Jul 2019 at 17:34

Marsman said:
Shame about the humour and tone of the film. It could have been so much better. Crane scene was great though.

CG crane had more wheels flying off it than the real thing, interesting seeing how it was done.

Gerard · 21 Jul 2019 at 15:30

Fubsy said:
Is it just malware bytes? Nothing has changed and I've had this sig for over a year and this is the first I've heard of it. Get nothing on any of my machines, but then I don't use MWB.

I'm getting a message about it as well, what exactly is your sig anyway? Just looks like a broken url on my end :confused:

Gerard · 22 Jul 2019 at 14:40

Tim Miller swears quite a bit.

Gerard · 22 Jul 2019 at 16:22

The first minute 30 of this has some new footage, and some swearies to boot. A glimpse of the future war as well with pretty weird looking terminators charging (i think) Mackenzie Davis' character.