*** The 2010 Gym Rats Thread ***

Thanks for the reply FF, I sometimes have to take a 3-4 second break (or a bit longer :p ) between reps on the last sets, but yeah I can complete them all. Bearing in mind if I go down and can't come back up I'm *'d, I'd have to ditch the bar behind me, involving possible shoulder lols - I am upping the weight with every session so far, just not too fast for the aforementioned reason. And on the back squats I'm definitely going below parallel, on front squats probably just about parallel, for some reason I find those harder to go down as far with.

I'm doing legs every 4 days at the moment, with Deads on a separate day, usually the day after, so I'm doing as much as I can to get the numbers up :)
 
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Can you get someone to spot you for squats? If you get stuck the spotter either pushing in your core or kinda pulling your chest up from behind (ooh err) can help you make it back up.

If you're continuing the improvised equipment route you could make something similar to your dip bars, but at the correct height as squat rack safety bars. Just make it maybe a bit wider and with some bracing though.
 
If you're continuing the improvised equipment route you could make something similar to your dip bars, but at the correct height as squat rack safety bars.

Yeah I was thinking about doing something like this, there's only so much room out the back though and I do share with 3 other people so I can't take up all the space with my stuff. However I think I can make some progress this way at least for a few months, I think I could ditch the sort of weight I'm moving now without any danger, and as I said before if I stick to this for more than a couple of months I will join a gym.
 
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That volume looks fine to me. Though I like high volume leg workout. It also depends what other exercises you're doing for legs. If you plan to do others like SLDL, Extensions, Lunges etc then obviously lower the volume for squats.

I've done:
100KG x 10
100KG x 10
100KG x 10
100KG x 10
60KG x 20
60KG x 20
60KG x 20

Then onto SLDL, extensions and lunges. Though that was a pritty damn demanding session and at the time I found 100KG quite difficult. Sets & reps is all relevant to your intensity. Try and see what works for you, I find for me big sets build the most mass.

I've also just started doing squats with my heels 6" apart both back & front and it hits the quads/glutes from a different angle and is a nice finisher.

I generally tend to mix rep ranges and % of intensity throughout a workout starting with the higher weight lower reps and then working my down to lighter weights with more reps. I'll do some 5x5 too for things like hamstrings. Yesterday for example:

Back squats warmed up upto 120KG.
130KG x 3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 2
100KG x 10
60KG x 20
Heels 6"
60KG x 10, 10

60-120 seconds rest

SLDL:
100KG x 6,6,6,6,6
60 seconds rest

Leg Extensions:
105KG x 6,6,6,6,6
60 seconds rest

No calf work for now as they keep causing me hastle/injury

Then some more core work. This is how my leg workout looks, with the addition of front squats every so often. I'm mostly strength training, if I was training for mass I'd lower the weight, sets, up the reps and add in some lunges and maybe something else.

Training legs every third day at the moment and I really like it. Something else you need to take into account is the frequency of your training. You can balls to the wall it if your training them once a week but if it's every 3rd or 4th day you won't have recovered in time and will just hinder your following workout and mess up your CNS.
 
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Something else you need to take into account is the frequency of your training. You can balls to the wall it if your training them once a week but if it's every 3rd or 4th day you won't have recovered in time and will just hinder your following workout and mess up your CNS.

Generally I'm just training them when they feel rested enough, whether that be every 3rd or every 4th or whatever, it's not like I'm working to a rigid program. Thanks for the reply, what everyone is saying makes sense, high volume for such a large muscle of the body.

My friend who is trying to get into shape to apply for the army (engineering), wants me to take him to where I used to do stair running and do stair sprints with him tomorrow. I've said I'll go but I don't think I'll be able to do much, I was hoping for a rest day :(
 
Had a great leg workout tonight after my 3 warm up sets, I banged out 3 sets of 8-10 reps @150kg squats below parallel. I'm really getting my power back now, it's full steam ahead! woop woop! :D
 
Just back in from a shoulder session, great pump and starting to see some veins in front delts/lower neck :p. Also becoming quite a big fan of Supersetting front raises with lateral raises (god you need to drop the weight though :o), and face pulls with the rope. Doing a huge amount of volume atm on the shoulders but it appears to be working :)

Also managed to dumbbell shoulder press 24kg for 7 reps, although later sets of arnold presses I was using two wrong dumbbells (14s and 12s :o)

Stepped on the gym scales though tonight and they say 13stone (down from ~13.5), although these scales are more of a random number generator so I'll need to check in the morning. I haven't weighed myself in weeks as my wii fit is in the conservatory and it's cold in the mornings :o, I am leaning out a lot although 7 pounds seems a fair bit to be losing.

Was also skipping on sunday with my new rope for around 40 minutes (still trying to get technique etc so I can keep going without hitting my legs), and I have calf pains from it, is this common and will my legs get used to it?
 
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Yeah I was thinking about doing something like this, there's only so much room out the back though and I do share with 3 other people so I can't take up all the space with my stuff. However I think I can make some progress this way at least for a few months, I think I could ditch the sort of weight I'm moving now without any danger, and as I said before if I stick to this for more than a couple of months I will join a gym.

If you did it on the edge of the patio you could at least ditch it onto grass. It'd dig in but not terribly.
 
and I have calf pains from it, is this common and will my legs get used to it?

Last year I started skipping a bit. I found my calves fatigued quite early on but is one of those things that eventually fades as your body adapts. As long as it doesn't hurt right from the start and is just a fatigue pain then I wouldn't worry.
 
Yeah keep carbs low, but probably refeed a bit over the weekend. I'm just not bothered about carbs that much anymore - I don't feel the urge to eat them as much as I used to which is handy. :)

There's a lot of debate about whether or not we need 0.8g per kg or up to 2g per kg of lean body weight. The basic fact is that optimal protein synthesis is around 20-30g at one time. Any more than that, you will still synthesis, but the excess will just be oxidised (either turned into energy, fat, or moved to another part of the body that requires amino acids of some kind for different purposes other than protein synthesis for skeletal muscle.

Whilst excercising protein synthesis decreases (naturally). So we need to get it back up to nominal levels. Conversely we can try and minimise the reduction of protein synthesis, by taking bcaa/eaas before workout. For example Leucine is one of the BCAAs that is important in regulating the initiation and of protein synthesis, certainly after exercise. After exercise, protein and/or BCAAs (depending on the amino acid profile of your protein source) is required for kick start in getting your protein synthesis going again, this is done by increasing L-Leucine concentrations. Increased L-Leucine PWO releases the inhibition of the initiation factors. This ties in with insulin which also has a control over the inhibition of translation initiation.

Insulin and L-Leucine regulate prtoein synthesis within the muscles, though clearly this is dependent on your body type and diet, and the way you train etc... In fact it goes to levels that are too complex for me! :o

This leads on nicely to EEAs and protein synthesis. Although the effect of insulin and the time spent in muscle protein anabolism after taking EAAs differ from person to person, EAA ingestion is nonetheless effective at acutely stimulating muscle protein synthesis in people.

A mixture of EAAs containing a certain amount of leucine (I can't remember the amount, around 3-4g I think) increased protein synthesis up to 60% - though this is taken from basal values, I can't remember the name of study, I just remember the figure. This is why I bang on about amino acid profiles of protein that people want to buy, it's far more important than how much "whey" or hemp you get down your neck. You get leucine in eggs, chicken and beef too. (in fact have a look here for foods containing leucine: http://www.dietaryfiberfood.com/leucine-rich.php). So if you keep your leucine intake to that level with most meals your effectively optimising protein synthesis, minimising catabolism and atrpohy.

The protein intake required to reach that much leucine is only around 25-30g whey isolate, or aound 40g from eggs, 40-50g from chicken, and about the same for beef. If you look through that link I sent, it's so easy to keep your amino acid intakes high without even using supplements - hence why, I again, bang on that a diet is far more important than reaching for supplements all the time. :) For what it's worth the elevated amount of protein synthesis can last anything from 2 to 4hrs, hence the proposed argument for eating every few hours.

Incidentally, amino acids are typically absorbed within about 15mins and peak within about 30 mins or so. Hence the argument for drinking amino acids before a workout and during a work out as well as post work out. However I've often questioned whether or not you want to keep protein synthesis active which may block or diminish other proteins and hormones from reacting to the work they are having to undertake during a workout - but that's another debate altogether!

Now going back to the carb/protein question, or more specifically carb and EAA from all that I've read post workout creates a significantly great anabolic response than EEAs/protein alone, I'm convinced this is to do with insulin transport within the protein synthesis process.

I can't categorically state how much protein per meal is ideal, but taking into consideration protein oxidisation if you injest more than can be synthesised, there must be a maximum. There is, and it's all to do with their amino acid profiles. Can you work it out for each meal? Not really, and if so it's a ball ache. So I aim between 30-40g as I know that I'll be getting enough leucine in to release the inhibition of the initiation factors for protein synthesis. There's so much more to it than that though, you have to take into consideration the fats you injest the rise in anabolic hormone response that that offers, clearly all the hormonal responses should be taken into consideration. I know there's a bit of a standard distribution curve which shows peaks at around 30-40g, but I can't remember where I found that. However, in purely biological/science reasoning it would make sense that there's a bell curve distribution and a "peak" so to speak. That doesn't mean to say that any more won't mean more bang for buck, it just means that gramme for gramme you're getting more at around 30-40g.

Now this is just from studies, and from research I've done, not everyone agrees with this, but it does seem to make sense. Do I follow this by the book? No, as I cant' always feed when I want to, but I do try and eat the right things, in the right quantities, when I can. So take what you want from this post, do your own research, agree/disagree I'm happy to hear other theories and ideas - I'm by no means an expert, just someone who reads a lot of information and absorbs it like a sponge! :D I know I haven't really answered the question, but maybe it's given enough direction to your question for you to be able to seek out what you need? If so I'd be happy to hear back from you! :)

I understand the need to get adequate amino acids from protein sources. However I feel my protein choices are adequate enough that i don't need to pay too much attention to them. Saying that i haven't actually checked in detail, so it's more of an assumption really. I'll normally go upto around 40-50g myself per meal. Maybe that is slightly more than necessary, but i enjoy most of my protein choices. ;) and it does help increase calories

But i think that it makes sense that protein synthesis can also be elevated due to activity, ie post workout. I've come across an articale somewhere stating that it can be elevated by around 3 times (i'll try and find this when i get a few minutes). I don't go to that extreme myself, my normal post workout shake would consist of 75g of whey (80% = 60g protein), carbs around 80g from dextrose and maltodextrin (50:50). I feel that works ok, but obviously the amino acids in whey protein are pretty good, so that will always help the level of synthesis further.

I'm sure i've read an artical on leucine on tnation from a couple years ago. Basically stating the advantages of taking this before every meal to increase protein synthesis, something like 1g pre meal. I've tried the stuff as a supplement before, but didn't like the taste.

Trying to keep things fairly simple right now, so clean unprocessed food, plenty of protein, good fats, and minimal carbs except around workouts. Sounds like your doing the same type of thing, just with a better understanding of how everything works, and therefore your probably making better food choices, and timing your meals better.

Thanks for the informative post, and good luck with the bulking.
 
I've been popping in 2-2.5grams of Leucine a couple of times a day. Currently taking EAA's too.

I think it's refered to as 'pulsing'. Upon waking, PWO and before bed with a pre-bed slow 6-8HR release blend of proteins. I don't know the exact science behind it all. Dead cheap to do as well @ £22 per KG roughly, 6 grams a day gives you 166 day supply.
 
never had tinned mackarel before and dont recall eating any other variety, whats the closest thing it tastes of? do you just put it in a sandwich?

Nope i eat it straight out of the tin. You can put it on a sandwich if you like, but that would make it more like 550-600 cal.

Well in the spicy tomato sauce it kind of taste a little bit like monster munch crisp to me, well at least what i remember them tasting like anyway. The fish taste itself isn't that strong.
 
No probs. I'm happy to share what I've learnt and happy to debate/discuss pros and cons of anything relating to the gym. :) Glad you found it interesting (I do get carried away at times though! :o).

Good to hear that you're doing things right. So many people eat a certain way, take supps etc.. without really knowing why. Whilst it's entirely their choice, I just find it odd that people would go to all that expense and effort without really understanding why, and if they actually need it.

I, like you, keep carbs low, get plenty of protein and good fats in, and spike my carbs around training, but I relax a bit more about it over the weekend. Leucine is found in foods anyway, so if you vary your diet and take in some protein with good sources of leucine and generally a good amino acid profile you shouldn't really need to worry about it. However it does increase protein synthesis significantly, and clearly depending on how serious you are timing your foods and taking advantages of your natural hormonal spikes in your day to day life can be only but beneficial! :)

I'm not starting my AGVT routine till March. I'm still conditioning at the moment, and off skiing again tomorrow. However my "bulks" aren't really massive bulking diet wise, if anything I just increase protein content more, and just take in a bit more carbs pre/post WO. Though I'm not looking forward to my shopping bill when I'm aiming for 4000+ cals a day! :D

I don't think 40-50g is excessive in one sitting, as you will still be in in the "high" synthesis zone of the standard distribution curve, it's just not "max" however, taking the forumla of the area under the curve, you will still synthesis more protein, just when you exceed 30g (or there abouts) the rate at which it is synthesised is less optimal - doesn't mean it doesn't get digested or used! :)
 
Hurray for stomach flu!

It was coming out of both ends between the hours of 19:00 last night and 9:30 this morning, pretty much every hour :(

I can feel my body aching and crying out for food but I can't keep anything down.

This really has been one of the worst nights of my life.
 
Well my daily eating is hitting around 2700 cals. I am so skinny, almost anorexic and used to just spend whole days studying and my nutrition would be rubbish. Past few days have been good and ive done well preparing stuff for the next few days, but I am scared of friday, for as long as this year has started at uni I have been in fridays doing labs for my thesis from 9 - 7 and then the pub afterwards to blow off steam from the week (pretty much my only night out drinking). Its hard to get meals down consistently.

Im also worrying im eating too much bread (5 brown slices a day) and I need to man up and have bigger breakfasts, but I think I'll get there!
 
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