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At the same time, while one should indeed prefer food, there is absolutely no need to worry about anything bad ever potentially happening because of whey.
It is 100% safe, has been used for years in the bodybuilding world without any side effects.
 
cheets64 said:
I need to get some whey protein, eating is hard, literally, got sick of boiled eats, turkey, tuna, peanut butter, cottage cheese, chicken, mackerel.

Would whey protein be classed as natural?
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what do you class as natural?
what is not natural?

whey protein comes from cheese production its basically a by product which used to be a waste product until they managed to find a market for it. so it comes from milk.

now whey protein can be natural or not natural depending on where the actual milk comes from.

for example the cows in america are given all sorts of drugs/chemicals and their milk or any products derived from their milk are not allowed to be brought back into the UK in your luggage. this is because the UK deem their milk to be not up to their standards or pass their rules and regulations.

but whey from UK cows could be deemed as natural because such drugs/chemicals are not used.

it all depends on your perspective or point of view. do you think its natural to be eating whey?

on another note you say your sick of eating some "real proteins", but i dont think you know protein is found in many foods and some of them are even vegetarian such as lentils, beans, chickpeas, the list goes on.

steak, sausage, bacon, cod, prawns, etc the list of different types of meat/animals is also endless, there is no way you could be sick of eating them all.

also there are hundreds of different types of protein powder. casein, micaeler casein, pea, hemp, whey, concentrate, isolate, egg, etc.

if you want to know more, i suggest you do some reading up on the subject before even asking any more questions, it's blatantly obvious by your question is whey natural, that you dont know what is normally deemed as natural and what isn't.

for example, natural bodybuilders who compete in natural shows are not allowed to take jack3d, their is an ingredient in jack3d which is on the banned list.

there are probably quite a few guys on here that use jack3d, are they now not natural?
 
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DK's got a good link there, there are some truly amazing people out there with pure strength!

Also I can't help but smirk when DK says 210kg is still "somewhat" respectable. x3BW is damn respectable, it doesn't matter what BW you are.

I have to say their squats are amazing.

At the moment I've swapped out to include more volume in my trainig to gain size, since I'm severly limited with equipment and weight.

I can happily say my bench is going to increase quite a bit though, which should push my total up to my goal of 500 max easily enough.

I think I've easily got that 120kg bench in me, since I can get 110kg x2 and 100kg x5 x3sets easily enough.

Such a pity I can't go over 145 on the deadlift or squat. So It's just volumetric work this summer for them.

Then there's my clean and press I can work on as well.
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Haha nightmare, I did mean in the competing sense. My squat was up there but DL, there are some crazy stats but I think I could there in due course!

It seems your goals are very similar to mine, you tried HST yet? I'm currently on week 5 on my current cycle. Put on some decent mass too :)

I think after that I'm going to take it easy. For the past 7 months, I've been lifting very heavy and I'm going to give my body a break then aim for some new lifts.
 
DarkShadow said:
Haha nightmare, I did mean in the competing sense. My squat was up there but DL, there are some crazy stats but I think I could there in due course!

It seems your goals are very similar to mine, you tried HST yet? I'm currently on week 5 on my current cycle. Put on some decent mass too :)

I think after that I'm going to take it easy. For the past 7 months, I've been lifting very heavy and I'm going to give my body a break then aim for some new lifts.
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I was basically on something like HST just my own spin on things really. I was totally at about 20-25 sets a day with training. Probably over kill haha.
I'm tired of being the guy that wears smalls and mediums so I'm going to put on some size.

Sadly I won't be training for a month due do pinching/crushing a nerve cluster in my lumbar spine. All because I'm a nice guy a was cleaning up the plates lying around in the gym. A silly 25kg plate popped my lower back.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
what do you class as natural?
what is not natural?

whey protein comes from cheese production its basically a by product which used to be a waste product until they managed to find a market for it. so it comes from milk.

now whey protein can be natural or not natural depending on where the actual milk comes from.

for example the cows in america are given all sorts of drugs/chemicals and their milk or any products derived from their milk are not allowed to be brought back into the UK in your luggage. this is because the UK deem their milk to be not up to their standards or pass their rules and regulations.

but whey from UK cows could be deemed as natural because such drugs/chemicals are not used.

it all depends on your perspective or point of view. do you think its natural to be eating whey?

on another note you say your sick of eating some "real proteins", but i dont think you know protein is found in many foods and some of them are even vegetarian such as lentils, beans, chickpeas, the list goes on.

steak, sausage, bacon, cod, prawns, etc the list of different types of meat/animals is also endless, there is no way you could be sick of eating them all.

also there are hundreds of different types of protein powder. casein, micaeler casein, pea, hemp, whey, concentrate, isolate, egg, etc.

if you want to know more, i suggest you do some reading up on the subject before even asking any more questions, it's blatantly obvious by your question is whey natural, that you dont know what is normally deemed as natural and what isn't.

for example, natural bodybuilders who compete in natural shows are not allowed to take jack3d, their is an ingredient in jack3d which is on the banned list.

there are probably quite a few guys on here that use jack3d, are they now not natural?
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Wtf, where did that come from.

Either tell me why you hate me or pipe down, you are very vocal, srs what's wrong.

You sound paranoid.

what do you class as natural?
what is not natural?
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I asked a question, I didn't ask a question to get a 2x question in return, you dot like my presence, is it because I was fat?

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Cheets, simmer down man. This is what PS is like, he doesn't mince his words which can come across as hostile, but there's a lot of good information in his post. I don't even feel any part of his post was hostile, you've taken it the wrong way.

And as for the fat comment, just lol. I really don't think PS cares where you came from or how you were.
 
cheets64 said:
I need to get some whey protein, eating is hard, literally, got sick of boiled eats, turkey, tuna, peanut butter, cottage cheese, chicken, mackerel.

Would whey protein be classed as natural?
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To answer the question simply and easily.
It's 100% natural, it's just food source. It's even being used more and more in baby powders and formulas because it's a great protein with plenty of benefits.

Just be careful of over the counter "labled" ones, some of them pumped full of sugars and other fillers to make it seem like you buy a lot but there's hardly any protein in there then.

MyProtein is still probably one of the best places if you just want to buy 100% whey, they also naturally flavour their stuff. Or you can just buy unflavoured, which just tastest like skimmed milk when you add water.

There's also Pea protein if you want to try it, I find it taste utterly vile.
There's also the Casein proteins which are also from the same source as whey, they just take hours to digest, meaning they're perfect for before bed.

Milk Protein is 80% Casein and 20% whey, which is cheaper then 100% casein powders, and that extra bit of whey stops you getting those hunger pangs late a night.


I hope this helps more the Sonny's rant.
 
cheets64 said:
I asked a question, I didn't ask a question to get a 2x question in return, you dot like my presence, is it because I was fat?
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Lold.

Whey protein is "natural" and just another source of food in most reasonable peoples eyes.

BUT YOU'LL BE TAKING DEM PROTEINZ HERP DERP- Uneducated masses response.
 
The Craig said:
BUT YOU'LL BE TAKING DEM PROTEINZ HERP DERP- Uneducated masses response.
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That's not as bad as people thinkg Creatine is like gummi berry juice and thinking if you take it you'll Hulk out.

I was at a secondary school a few weeks ago, and they have a little gym kids can go to during PE. All of the ones in there said they're loading up on creatine and proteins so that can get HUGE!

You can only facepalm at them really. They like so many other just believe the fitness mags and think the stuff is miracle grow for muscles. One said he was taking 20grams of creatine a day! 20!

Jeez, I can't even take in more than 5grams and I get stomach cramps and sit on the toilet for days.
 
Am I right in thinking that Whey only comes from a few sources in Europe but different retailers market it differently. Or do places like MP, Iron Science, Bodybuilding Warehouse etc produce their own?
 
I believe most of it comes from China, but with a rapid rise in demand within China itself, less is now being exported. So more pressure is being put on to European manufacturers, who struggle to keep up with the demand, hence higher prices.
 
Hedge said:
Am I right in thinking that Whey only comes from a few sources in Europe but different retailers market it differently. Or do places like MP, Iron Science, Bodybuilding Warehouse etc produce their own?
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MoNkeE said:
I believe most of it comes from China, but with a rapid rise in demand within China itself, less is now being exported. So more pressure is being put on to European manufacturers, who struggle to keep up with the demand, hence higher prices.
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i would hazard a guess it mostly comes from the biggest cheese producing nations in the world, whoever they are?

i would have thought france would have been high up on the list. china and maybe india, simply due to their size (population 1 billion each) and labour/production costs being so cheap.

also the same company for example myprotein, may get their protein from different sources depending on the seasons (times of the year). for example thoroughout the year they buy from their main supplier china, but in winter they then buy from lets say australia, that is completely made up, just using as an example.
 
This thread used to be about what people where doing in the gym and what routines people where using and what diets people where following and has given me some great info in the past.

I don't go to bodybuilding.com for any info I come here but lately this thread is going down hill fast :(
 
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