*** The 2011 Gym Rats Thread ***

[BennyC]

Ok thanks mate, I take it this will go over time like yours. Do I just keep lifting the same?

Having just tried now I used to get it when doing the motion of a lateral raise. Now I have to force my shoulder right back (force my shoulder blades together) to get it.

Are you doing much back work at all? But more to the point can you feel yourself activating the right muscles? Facepulls, high rows, shrugs (with proper form) should all help along with some decent lat work. You might just find you 'grow out of it' which could be what happened to me.

I remember CT saying how he used to have shoulder issues, he used to be a proper powerlifter, but since doing all of his overhead pressing first on a push day / chest & shoulders his shoulder niggles have gone completely. I've been doing HST and am into my 5th week now. Press is my second exercise and bench press is my 4th and I do feel my shoulder health has improved. This could just be due to the lower intensity & higher frequency too.

A few sets of overhead press before direct chest work *could* help but I can't explain how as nor could CT! nice and light/moderate weight with decent form. Mark Rippetoe has a brilliant press tutorial video on his DVD you might be able to find online.

 

[SkScotchegg]

Origionally posted by BennyC

Having just read this I won't bother giving you any advice other than to do what Steedie says and taper your carbs off during the day. Eat most early in the day and then some PWO.

I'm still a bit puzzled why you come and ask for advice and then when people try to help you refuse to listen? Okay it might not have been about the particular point you were interested in but it is relevant. People will be opinionated on a discussion forum as that's all it is peoples experiences and opinions.

Nobody is being malicious or 'attacking' your choices but merely being inquisitive and trying to help. Personally I've run out of patience with you. I still want you to post here and contribute as how everybody helps each other is brilliant but I just can't offer advice to somebody who is being narrow minded especially about something that *could* potentially be harming your progress and/or health.

I think everything you wrote there is total nonsense because things like this are simple, I would say this to you in person, if you ask for advice, then you listen to that advice, if you dont ask for advice and people try force it down your throat then people get defensive, this is life...I came on this forum to ask about carbs, not protein, people didnt want to ask me my past experience and if I knew anything about nutrition or whatever, they just presumed that I didnt know what I was doing and that surely this guy must be clueless or crazy to be consuming 400g a day! no man on earth needs that much! he must be reading magazines or something! lol and tried to tell me that 400g of protein per day is wrong, despite my size, shape, bodyfat, personal experience etc, it was just, thats wrong, you should be eating 150g blah di blah and I cant be bothered with that.

But what you wrote there is you trying to be smart with words and make out like I'm this annoying little kid thats come on the forum, asked a question and then not listened to the answer but thats not how this went down. How this went down was typical people doing typical things on a typical forum lol. Thats typical ocuk forum for ya, or perhaps thats all forums world wide, I wouldnt know, I'm only a member of this one and bodybuilding.com.

Everything you wrote there was wrote with the purpose of making me sound bad, and that I cant have. No logical person can say to me in all honestly that if I ask "hey can you explain to me about carbs" and then someone says "hey you shouldnt be eating 400g of protein per day" that is correct lol. It would be like you posting and saying hey I was squatting 200kg and my upper back and shoulders was hurting, do you think the cushion will help and then people saying you shouldnt be squatting 200kg, its like what do you mean I shouldnt be squatting 200kg? lol I been at this years, I've got experience, I've built myself up to this level gradually overtime I've done this a thousand times! and people saying well your only 165kg, its too much weight for you lol. It's just ridiculous, you didnt even ask them if you should be squatting 200kg! you asked about the cushion for the bar!! haha

I dont know how else to be clearer to you bennyc and to everyone else that has entered this debate, just hope you can understand where I'm coming from and perhaps think about the way you speak to people as well.

EDIT: Having said all that the only person thats replied to me with any help today and not said anything to annoy me has been "ergonomics" so thanks for the info I appreciate it!

 

[Steedie]

Sorry but everything you're saying is just making your argument look extremely floored. So if you went into a doctors and said

"Doctor, I think I have AIDS?"
"You don't have AIDS but you have cancer that needs to be treated right away"
"Sorry doc, did I ask about that? I'm not interested, I've got what I came for, goodbye".

You asked about something, but I vaguely answered your question but was then later more concerned with another point you made that I felt needed addressing

And sorry mate, but you make out you're this big guy, you're not, I'm not having a dig there, but you're saying it as if "I'm a big guy, so I need this, you might not, but I do", you're certainly not as big as some of the people on here who are taking in far less than 400g and growing well out of it

 

[Morba]

Wow at the protein argument lol. That's just, well, whatever lol.

One thing I know, people will advise you to take as much of a product as the can if they are also trying to sell you some of that product.

 

[Morba]

Scotchegg, nobody is forcing anything on you, I don't see why you are getting so worked up tbh.
Maybe you should lay off whatever is giving you high blood pressure as it's effecting your posting

Oh, your squatting analogy is a bag of crap lol

 

[Apok]

Next he'll be telling us about how he thinks it a good a idea to take 10 scoops of whatever a day despite everyones advice.

oh wait that already happened

 

[SkScotchegg]

lol steedie thats a completely different situation and your just being silly lol, because a doctor is the one person you have to listen to, especially when your life is at stake lol.

I've probably explained how to conduct yourself when asking/giving/taking advice three times in this thread now, if you've read everything I've said so far, theres really nothing else to explain.

 

[Morba]

My old doctor told me to stop lifting heavy weights, it's bad for my health.
Clearly not all doctors know what they are talking about, so there is another duff analogy from you.

 

[Steedie]

lol steedie thats a completely different situation and your just being silly lol, because a doctor is the one person you have to listen to, especially when your life is at stake lol.

I've probably explained how to conduct yourself when asking/giving/taking advice three times in this thread now, if you've read everything I've said so far, theres really nothing else to explain.

But it's the same sort of principal, blocking out advice just because it's not what you want to hear

I suggest if you want to stick to your advice that you keep preaching, don't post on an online discussion forum

 

[Apok]

because a doctor is the one person you have to listen to

There is only one doctor in the world?

 

[Freefaller]

Someone comes into thread asking for advice
Gets given advice
Hears other comments about his post
Doesn't like what he hears
Starts having a go at people
Defends himself because he "knows"
Then winds himself up over nothing...

Nice. :/

Why bother posting if you already know the answers? If you're happy with what you do keep doing it. Stop being so insecure, and either accept that people are offering help and give as constructive debate, or just shut up and go back to training and using all your new found knowledge.

I recommend you read some books rather than random articles n the 'net though.

Good luck with your training.

 

[SkScotchegg]

Originally posted by Apok:

Next he'll be telling us about how he thinks it a good a idea to take 10 scoops of whatever a day despite everyones advice.

oh wait that already happened

Apok your talking rubbish as well man, I dont even take any supplements now, one time I posted and mentioned that in the past I took like loads of scoops of pre-workout energy booster stuff, cant remember the exact name of the product, I remember taking loads more scoops then was directed and yeah that did happen, but so what, that was my choice at the time, I experimented, many people take 6 tablets of creatine instead of 3 directed on the tub, many people add 2-3 scoops of whey instead of one, many people take high dosage of HMB etc.

But what you just wrote there was as if to say, "yeah this guy is an idiot who tells people to take 12 scoops of NO before he goes to gym" lol, I've never recommended to anyone to do that so why would you make up something like that?

 

[Apok]

Originally posted by Apok:



Apok your talking rubbish as well man, I dont even take any supplements now, one time I posted and mentioned that in the past I took like loads of scoops of pre-workout energy booster stuff, cant remember the exact name of the product, I remember taking loads more scoops then was directed and yeah that did happen, but so what, that was my choice at the time, I experimented, many people take 6 tablets of creatine instead of 3 directed on the tub, many people add 2-3 scoops of whey instead of one, many people take high dosage of HMB etc.

But what you just wrote there was as if to say, "yeah this guy is an idiot who tells people to take 12 scoops of NO before he goes to gym" lol, I've never recommended to anyone to do that so why would you make up something like that?

Your statement makes no sense, first you say i'm talking rubbish then you admit to it.

Next you claim to tell me my intent despite saying i was talking rubbish, care to wager who actually is talking ********?

 

[SkScotchegg]

origionally posted by Steedie:

But it's the same sort of principal, blocking out advice just because it's not what you want to hear

I suggest if you want to stick to your advice that you keep preaching, don't post on an online discussion forum

You'd be 100% right but I never asked for you advice regarding protein! And when I refused it everyone got defensive because I said that subject is a closed door for me lol, so as it turns out, you're 100% wrong, sorry mate.


Origionally posted by Freefaller:

Someone comes into thread asking for advice
Gets given advice
Hears other comments about his post
Doesn't like what he hears
Starts having a go at people
Defends himself because he "knows"
Then winds himself up over nothing...

Nice. :/

Why bother posting if you already know the answers? If you're happy with what you do keep doing it. Stop being so insecure, and either accept that people are offering help and give as constructive debate, or just shut up and go back to training and using all your new found knowledge.

I recommend you read some books rather than random articles n the 'net though.

Good luck with your training.

LOL, I knew you'd stick your beak in man, saw that coming a mile off, you think your a great guy because your jumping in with 3-4 other people? pffff pathetic.

When did I ask for advice and not take it? give me quotes, times, places, name, Why do you make stuff up? and talk rubbish, freefaller man, read the last few pages and come back to me when you've stopped drinking.

It's not rocket science, I didnt ask for any advice regarding protein, LMAO, you guys are insane, either your trying to act really stupid or you just are this way, am really not sure which it is. There's a few of you now that keep repeating the same stuff lol.

I bet within next 5 mins someone replies and says "skscotchegg, why ask for advice and then not take it?"...."whats wrong with you man? why ask for advice and then not like what you hear?" LOL

Crazy people! Simple english! Learn to read and not just jump on the bang wagon churning out the same rubbish that the fellow before ya said.

 

[BennyC]

It would be like you posting and saying hey I was squatting 200kg and my upper back and shoulders was hurting, do you think the cushion will help and then people saying you shouldnt be squatting 200kg, its like what do you mean I shouldnt be squatting 200kg? lol I been at this years, I've got experience, I've built myself up to this level gradually overtime I've done this a thousand times! and people saying well your only 165kg, its too much weight for you lol. It's just ridiculous, you didnt even ask them if you should be squatting 200kg! you asked about the cushion for the bar!! haha

Personally I'd be grateful if somebody took the time to address an underlying problem like that. If like you say for example I was having upper back pain when squatting. I'm obviously doing something wrong or I need to see a osteopath/have some DTM. There isn't ever any need for a pad, powerlifters and world record holders don't use pads. Assessing my technique and form would be much more beneficial and save me from a probably horrific inury. But if I were to see things as you do I'd ignore this advice buy myself a 'pad' and continue squatting with poor form.

Whilst you may be getting answers to questions you didn't ask it doesn't mean they can't help. Even some of the most knowledgeable professionals would have the decency to listen and consider what somebody is saying to them.

I dont know how else to be clearer to you bennyc and to everyone else that has entered this debate, just hope you can understand where I'm coming from

I can understand entirely where you're coming from

and perhaps think about the way you speak to people as well.

Please highlight for me where precisely you're unhappy with my reply? I think I've been quite decent and refrained from being a keyboard warrior or laying into you and having 'lulz' at you with other users here. Without meaning it you do test peoples patience.

It would probably be best in future if you started a new thread for any questions you might have and we can then keep all of this **** in there and not in the gymratz thread.

 

[SkScotchegg]

Origionally posted by Apok:

Your statement makes no sense, first you say i'm talking rubbish then you admit to it.

Next you claim to tell me my intent despite saying i was talking rubbish, care to wager who actually is talking ********?

When you make things up that arent true, then your talking rubbish. it's that simple!

 

[SkScotchegg]

You guys can reply as many times as ya want but I might just start copying and pasting this one sentance > > > "I Asked for advice about carbs, you gave advice about protein < make sense? LOL"

 

[Freefaller]

I think you need to calm down matey before your account breaks.

No one is having a go or telling you you're wrong, you've posted bits and people have commented on them. That's how forums work. You're getting worked up over trifling matters.

 

[Apok]

Origionally posted by Apok:


When you make things up that arent true, then your talking rubbish. it's that simple!

Sweet i have talking rubbish , time to contact the circus or some scientists.

Seriously.
So you admitting

one time I posted and mentioned that in the past I took like loads of scoops of pre-workout energy booster stuff, cant remember the exact name of the product

Is making stuff up?

in the very same thread that you posted that, people told why it was a bad idea and you took the same stance you are taking now.

 

[SkScotchegg]

origionally posted by bennyC:

Personally I'd be grateful if somebody took the time to address an underlying problem like that. If like you say for example I was having upper back pain when squatting. I'm obviously doing something wrong or I need to see a osteopath/have some DTM. There isn't ever any need for a pad, powerlifters and world record holders don't use pads. Assessing my technique and form would be much more beneficial and save me from a probably horrific inury. But if I were to see things as you do I'd ignore this advice buy myself a 'pad' and continue squatting with poor form.

Whilst you may be getting answers to questions you didn't ask it doesn't mean they can't help. Even some of the most knowledgeable professionals would have the decency to listen and consider what somebody is saying to them.

Benny we've already established there is no problem with my protein consumption, we established that half an hour ago. If your receiving good gains on 150g of protein a day then I'm jealous as I did not! For me 150 is like an amount I would eat to sustain, to just simply spin the wheels.