Avoiding "form check discussion", get out of those trainers!Last set from last night. Not a big weight, but concentrating on form and depth.
No need for "form check discussion", I have already done that, just thought i'd throw it on here.
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This looks like high bar, is it? If so, tucking is more forgiving on your back, but it still shouldn't be happening.
What are the issues you are aware of?
It's not a simple topic, but a little bounce off your stretch reflex isn't always a bad thing. If you're doing it from a bad position or it causes you to lose position, it's absolutely a bad thing.Hypothetically speaking, would you say he's bouncing at the bottom of the rep, on the last few reps?
It depends on a few factors, but it certainly CAN be very bad practice.Mine is a lot more pronounced so I don't touch my butt cheeks to the floor anymore., However, in oddjob's case, he's got merely a hint if that of tucking, and considering he could pick up a pound coin from the floor for his depth, it's pretty bloody good. Such a small amount of tuck is really not relevant IME/IMO.![]()
Plus, it's always going to be "fine" until a disk blows. Injuries like that can come without warning, with no preceding pain. We can't always look to pain to signal problems, and people tend to ignore it anyway. Poor movement patterns are what lead to injuries, so that is where we must look to address problems. Why wait until you're in pain to fix the problem?
Unless you're seriously broken, perfect form (which is actually a fairly broad range) is absolutely always achievable. Me definition of perfect form is: movement without compromising your joints intended function and loading pattern, and which provides the strongest, fastest and most productive outcome for the whole body or the athletes goals.Sure drive for perfection by all means, but not at the detriment of training with reasonable form. Perfect form is not always achievable or necessary at all times - aim for it, and try for it, absolutely, but you'd be a fool (not you LiE, just "one would be") to think that perfect form will always be achievable.
He is only 4 inches below parallelI couldn't go that low without a significant amount of tucking, so I just stick to 3-4 inches below parallel.
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I understand what you're saying, but it's important to remember that not everyone is a bodybuilder.I do think you guys try a little too hard form 100% perfect form. While aiming for good form is spot on, holding back the weight you're capable of simply because your spending every week making adjustments based on feedback is silly.
As long as you're not putting yourself at risk of injury, and your working the correct muscle group for that exercise, then that's all that should matter
Even if they are, perfect form (in the way I describe above) will not only make you stronger, but will aid development and aesthetics.
There are many exercises that you just jump into without risking injury with less than perfect form, but there are others were this approach isn't ok.
However, I would be the first to give someone a slap if I thought they were making excuses and not pushing themselves hard enough.
Indeed.I'm not saying it has to be 100%, but why not work towards better form? I wouldn't see a problem and say "oh well, that'll do", when I know I can spend a little time at the end of my workout correcting it. Something like butt tuck may seem not too bad, but anything that changes your spine position under load is not good.
I spent time correcting my form, and now I can squat 200kg. It helped me lift more.
Some people are will to take the risk though. I just hope they understand just how risky it is.
I'd say that if you're getting movement in your lumbar you need to take a serious look at your mechanics, even if it occurs at a high 1RM %.Of course, but you will get some spine position change towards your 1RMs or when tiring. It's just the way it is - unless you literally are a machine, or you compromise on depth or weight.
I agree working towards better form is important, and fixing underlying issues, but obsessing over it isn't.![]()
Everyone SHOULD be able to perform perfect reps with light weights, too.
Oh, and my obsession is getting stronger and increasing general goodness
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