*** The 2014 Gym Rats Thread ***

will get it delivered today :) was like 17quid for the box with 30% off, code "BRANDNEW"

will give it a shot and see how it is, looks alright, most of the pre-workouts taste like hell but hopefully this is a bit different! best tasting I've had was c4 somethingsomewhere rage, pump, testosterone booster, natural steroid enhancer bomb... - the usual.

Cool look forward to your thoughts, I'm currently using Drive Sports Frenzy which works everytime :)
 
Just buy some cheap form of caffeine tablets:

- the creatine and beta alanine will do nothing for your workout taken immediately before;
- the aminos will potentially manage fatigue sensation through inhibition of cortisol but this assumed you're training fasted;
- the vitamin components are highly dependent on the forms used: there is a certain amount of research to show that certain compounds - in very specific situations - do certain things, but the chances are that those in MyPre will not.
- Betaine? Not sure why this is in a pre-workout... for anything to happen (same as with creatine/beta alanine) it needs to be taken over an extended period of time (read weeks). Assuming it actually helps (evidence is "patchy" at best)...

I wouldn't bother, and just buy the ingredients separately.
 
What would you classify as "fasted"?

I ask as I take on some aminos before I train (at 5pm) as I usually eat at midday and nothing in between.

Protein is usually around 20-30g for lunch then 10g of BCAA's in the aminos pre workout to cover the bases.
 
Now that is a question...

- normally 8-12hrs after last food ingestion (i.e. sleep for 8hrs overnight)...
- emptying of one's digestive tract compeltely

The former is more "normal" from a scientific standpoint. The reason for this is to try and control as many biological processes as possible so that effects from tested variables (supplements/chemicals) can be identified... any less that 5-8hrs and changes to body chemistry/reactions/etc. cannot be split out from normal biological processes...
 
Ive tried Pre Jym and it gives me a bit of focus but makes me feel a little sick, ive tried MP Assault and that just gave me a face tingle, and i've tried BSN NO XPLODE and that made me heart come out of my chest, im just best keeping away :)
 
Now that is a question...

- normally 8-12hrs after last food ingestion (i.e. sleep for 8hrs overnight)...
- emptying of one's digestive tract compeltely

The former is more "normal" from a scientific standpoint. The reason for this is to try and control as many biological processes as possible so that effects from tested variables (supplements/chemicals) can be identified... any less that 5-8hrs and changes to body chemistry/reactions/etc. cannot be split out from normal biological processes...

Interesting. So would you say ingesting BCAA's are not worth while unless training following a nights sleep with no food in between.
 
Mate, don't come and 'help' me lift off the bar on the bench. I can pull it out with my lats just fine. I don't want it lifted up so far I lose scapular retraction and get pulled off the bench. And don't touch the bar unless the bar starts going back down. Christ.

I never take a 'boost' or lift off. Even for PB's I've always unracked completely myself. The lift feels completely different if I'm not in control from the outset.
 
Interesting. So would you say ingesting BCAA's are not worth while unless training following a nights sleep with no food in between.

I think taking them pre-workout makes sense to "cover the bases" or as an insurance policy.

Will your workout/recovery suffer if you don't? I think - without measuring/qualifying your insulin/IGF/cortisol responses - it's impossible to say... will you lose gains? Same answer. Is it a good idea to reduce cortisol secretion when striving for physical exertion by taking BCAAs? Yes.
 
Just pilfering some post from BB.com. IIRC Alan personally recommends whey over BCAAs plus a carb source so his view is non-fasted > fasted.

Well, let's tackle point #9 in the article about fasted traning. Alan Aragon, whose word I'll take any day over Martin, seems to think that fasted training is counterproductive. The following is taken from one of Alan aragon's article:

Recent research by Baty's team showed no resistance training performance*benefit of a protein-carb solution taken pre, during, and postworkout [47]. However, two indicators of muscle damage were elevated in the fasted training placebo group. Their myoglobin levels approached significance halfway through the exercise bout, and were significantly elevated 6 hours postexercise. Creatine kinase levels were also significantly elevated 24 hours postexercise.
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Tipton's team compared the effect of an immediate pre-resistance training dose of essential amino acids + carbohydrate (EAA+CHO) with the same treatment immediately postworkout [48]. 262% more amino acid uptake was seen in the pre-group compared to the post-group. In a subsequent study, Tipton used a similar protocol with 20g whey protein only, administered either immediately pre- or immediately postworkout [49]. Although no significant differences in protein synthesis were seen, Tipton noted that the study was underpowered to detect differences in such a small sample size. He suggested that a protein-synthetic increase would be seen in the preworkout treatment if there were approximately double the number of subjects. Also of note is that 4 of the 8 subjects in the pre-group had greater amino acid uptake than any of the subjects in post-group. Furthermore, it’s highly likely that more protein synthesis would be seen in the pre-group if carbohydrate was taken with the protein, as was the case in Tipton’s previous study.
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Bird's team saw muscle-preserving effects of an EAA+CHO solution ingested during training after a 4-hour fast [50]. The EAA+CHO treatment suppressed any cortisol increase, whereas the fasted group's cortisol levels rose 105% by the end of the training bout. 3-methylhistidine (3MH – an indicator of myofibrillar protein degredation) levels*in the fasted group were elevated by 56% 2 days after the exercise bout, whereas 3MH levels the EAA+CHO group were reduced by 27%. Apparently, even a partial fast before resistance training*can negatively impact muscle protein status.

The article is:
An Objective Look at Intermittent Fasting
By Alan Aragon & Ryan Zielonka

An obviously the rules of his continuum apply:
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/nutrient-timing

nutrient-timing-table_r4-01.png
 
I never take a 'boost' or lift off. Even for PB's I've always unracked completely myself. The lift feels completely different if I'm not in control from the outset.

Same. One of the few things about my gym that's cool is the benches don't have J hooks - they're basically straigt pegs with a 30 degree slope upwards, so you can literally do like a straight arm row with the bar to get it in position rather than having to press it up slightly to get it in position.
 
We finally have a house with a garage, so I got a bench and some dumbbell weights at the beginning of October. I hadn't done any weights for 7-8yrs, and wasn't sure how much use I would make of the weights once I got them. It turns out that I have really enjoyed it and I have made some big improvements both in lifting and physique. My dumbbell bench has gone from 40kg to 60kg (3sets of 10), so a 50% improvement in 2.5months, which was one of my targets to hit by year end. Next target is 80kg by the summer, and at that point I will have to bite the bullet and buy a power cage, as it will be getting a bit difficult to safely bench with dumbells.
I have a bar, but no cage or rack and no rubber flooring so all i am using the bar for at the moment is barbell rows. Everything else is barbell exercises; bench, one arm pull, shoulder press, curls, upright row, and chin ups and goblet squats. I am really enjoying goblet squats, I have been doing them for around a month. I am not aiming to go massively heavy with them, I use a 40kg dumbbell and I think beyond that it will be increasingly difficult to maintain good form, as when you are holding the weight in front of you it is difficult to keep the weight on your heels. Instead I am just focusing on doing them as explosively as possible, and I am noticing an improvement in running especially hills.

Tldr: home gyms are cool & weight lifting is fun!
 
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Somnambulist: there are a lot of weasel words in that article which - whilst I am not going to argue with the results - make me dubious as to the "extrapolation" of the results. Yes, Alan Aragon is revered by some, but extrapolation without sound basis is no different from what the supplement companies do... I am not saying he is wrong, but that the article skews the reader's perspective.

The bottom line for me is that exercise in a fasted state is stressful for the body, and circulating nutrients (amino acids or glucose) from food/supplementation will reduce the stress reaction.
 
Same. One of the few things about my gym that's cool is the benches don't have J hooks - they're basically straigt pegs with a 30 degree slope upwards, so you can literally do like a straight arm row with the bar to get it in position rather than having to press it up slightly to get it in position.

Same at ours.

Can't stand it when the bar's rolling around on the catchers.

Nor can I stand it (in the days I used to have a boost), where the spotter just decides to either throw the weight off the hooks at you or give you full load when you aren't ready. Hence why I do it myself now.
 
Somnambulist: there are a lot of weasel words in that article which - whilst I am not going to argue with the results - make me dubious as to the "extrapolation" of the results. Yes, Alan Aragon is revered by some, but extrapolation without sound basis is no different from what the supplement companies do... I am not saying he is wrong, but that the article skews the reader's perspective.

The bottom line for me is that exercise in a fasted state is stressful for the body, and circulating nutrients (amino acids or glucose) from food/supplementation will reduce the stress reaction.

The article wasn't written by Alan (I was just linking the source of the pic), the table is his though. His Research Review is pretty essential going if you're nerdy enough about nutrition to want to stay up to date with all the latest stuff.
 
will get it delivered today :) was like 17quid for the box with 30% off, code "BRANDNEW"

will give it a shot and see how it is, looks alright, most of the pre-workouts taste like hell but hopefully this is a bit different! best tasting I've had was c4 somethingsomewhere rage, pump, testosterone booster, natural steroid enhancer bomb... - the usual.

Hey mate did you give it a go? If so how was it?
 
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