*** The 2014 Gym Rats Thread ***

[Delvis]

Spoffles back.

Your rib cage, funnily enough, can't keep a ridiculous amount of weight on it and will snap one day. That is why you don't rest the weight on it.

Even on pause bench you don't actually let your ribcage take all of the weight.

 

[spoffle]

I almost gave in and asked my training partner to spot my 1rm bench the other day, luckily I came to my senses and decided it was safer for both of us for me to go it alone.

I knew I had 180, and since I was going for a pause I could let Serge (who was recording) know if I needed him to pull up if I was going to fail.

If I'm unsure, I'll have him spot me properly.

Spoffle's back.

You knew that before, you responded to my video.

Your rib cage, funnily enough, can't keep a ridiculous amount of weight on it and will snap one day. That is why you don't rest the weight on it.

Even on pause bench you don't actually let your ribcage take all of the weight.

I'll have a amberlamps waiting at the end of the bench for me next time, because despite it being comfortable, load being relative, and intending to press from a dead stop though still holding on to the bar, I'll take your word that it wasn't comfortable, that my ribs were taking all the weight, that I let go of the bar, and I was about to die.

 

[Delvis]

I really am.not in the mood, I see you haven't changed.

 

[Ayahuasca]

In the words of the HodgeTwins:

"It's just advice, do whatever the **** you wanna do!"

 

[spoffle]

I really am.not in the mood, I see you haven't changed.

I see you haven't changed either, the way you respond, it's almost as if you actually want me to injure myself with the absolute statements you make.

Please tell me that you understand that load is relative, and that people don't have the same size and density bones?

You say something stupid*, I respond, you get butthurt about something, have a whinge, and claim you're done, rinse and repeat.

*effectively telling me how I feel, making absolute statements which are likely based on yourself and how your shoulders explode when you look at a barbell. I am not you, my chest and ribs aren't your shoulders. I have seen plenty of people do pause reps with more weight, resting the bar the same way, their rib cages haven't exploded.

I actually resent having to reply like this, but since you just had to post another whiney ratty little comment after the first "So er, what's the weight?" shows you're just looking to have a moan.

 

[FrenchTart]

Sigh.

Anyhow, as Ayahuasca already said - do what you want.

 

[spoffle]

In the words of the HodgeTwins:

"It's just advice, do whatever the **** you wanna do!"

Unfortunately, I've had this before, and it's very much a case of "do as I say or you're being rude and stubborn, don't ask questions, if something is one way with me, then it's the same way with you" when it comes to Delvis, which is odd considering how he's rekt himself whilst lifting, he's obviously not following best practise.

 

[spoffle]

Sigh.

Anyhow, as Ayahuasca already said - do what you want.

See, this is the problem, as I'm apparently not allowed to ask why or I become the pariah again, and then Delvis comes out with his whiney ratty comments and responses to questions no one asked him because he just can't help himself.

How is it advice if this is how people respond to being asked why?

My comment asking you why still stands, as I am genuinely curious as to your response.

As I said, I resent having to respond like that, but it's very clear what he's up to, he's trying to pick fault, asking what the weight was as if I'd derped so hard and missed that off, spelling my username incorrectly and claiming my rib cage is going to "snap". I'd have nothing to say if he could just refrain from being ratty.

 

[FrenchTart]

See, this is the problem, as I'm apparently not allowed to ask why or I become the pariah again, *snip*

How is it advice if this is how people respond to being asked why?

My comment asking you why still stands, as I am genuinely curious as to your response.

To be honest I was waiting for people with more knowledge than me to respond (and I include Delvis in that group) as my reasoning would just be that it 'seems' unsafe.

Nothing wrong with asking why in my opinion. It would be better to turn the other cheek regarding any perceived bad attitude rather than rise to it though. Just, again, in my opinion.

 

[spoffle]

To be honest I was waiting for people with more knowledge than me to respond (and I include Delvis in that group) as my reasoning would just be that it 'seems' unsafe.

Nothing wrong with asking why in my opinion. It would be better to turn the other cheek regarding any perceived bad attitude rather than rise to it though. Just, again, in my opinion.

That's fair enough, and I take no issue whatsoever with that. The reason I asked why, was a genuine question, as I see most over a second paused bench pressing is the same as I did it, with it resting on the chest, with the same or even more weight.

 

[FrenchTart]

That's fair enough, and I take no issue whatsoever with that. The reason I asked why, was a genuine question, as I see most over a second paused bench pressing is the same as I did it, with it resting on the chest, with the same or even more weight.

Well, back when I was doing 'proper' bench (rather than DB bench as I do now) I would've felt extremely unsafe letting the weight rest on any part of my torso..and I was benching less than 80kg

Once again, I'm far less informed about all these than many on here but it does seem wrong to me *shrug*

 

[Delvis]

I see you haven't changed either, the way you respond, it's almost as if you actually want me to injure myself with the absolute statements you make.

Please tell me that you understand that load is relative, and that people don't have the same size and density bones?

You say something stupid*, I respond, you get butthurt about something, have a whinge, and claim you're done, rinse and repeat.

*effectively telling me how I feel, making absolute statements which are likely based on yourself and how your shoulders explode when you look at a barbell. I am not you, my chest and ribs aren't your shoulders. I have seen plenty of people do pause reps with more weight, resting the bar the same way, their rib cages haven't exploded.

I actually resent having to reply like this, but since you just had to post another whiney ratty little comment after the first "So er, what's the weight?" shows you're just looking to have a moan.

I actually didn't know what the weight was in the video, neither did I look at the title as I quickly viewed it.

Anyway, like I said prior, well done on the weight.

 

[Delvis]

Unfortunately, I've had this before, and it's very much a case of "do as I say or you're being rude and stubborn, don't ask questions, if something is one way with me, then it's the same way with you" when it comes to Delvis, which is odd considering how he's rekt himself whilst lifting, he's obviously not following best practise.

Yes, I injured myself, therefore I can no longer learn anything or form an opinion on the matter no longer.

 

[spoffle]

Well, back when I was doing 'proper' bench (rather than DB bench as I do now) I would've felt extremely unsafe letting the weight rest on any part of my torso..and I was benching less than 80kg

Once again, I'm far less informed about all these than many on here but it does seem wrong to me *shrug*

That makes it seem like any rest at all is heresy.

I can completely understand why you'd think that though.

I'm going off watching videos of people with big lifts make big lifts, and a rest like that is not uncommon, mine being relatively light weight for some lifters.

Weight and load is of course relative to frame size and mass and all that, and I actually find doing pause reps more comfortable than touch and go due to the increased amount of control in it.

 

[FrenchTart]

That makes it seem like any rest at all is heresy.

I can completely understand why you'd think that though.

I'm going off watching videos of people with big lifts make big lifts, and a rest like that is not uncommon, mine being relatively light weight for some lifters.

Weight and load is of course relative to frame size and mass and all that, and I actually find doing pause reps more comfortable than touch and go due to the increased amount of control in it.

To be honest I always assumed a paused rep was with the weight supported by your arms - and that the 'pause' was the extra time you had to hold the weight in position. I've never really got into the paused rep side of things though so yeah... don't take my word as gospel or anything.

 

[spoffle]

I actually didn't know what the weight was in the video, neither did I look at the title as I quickly viewed it.

Anyway, like I said prior, well done on the weight.

If so, fair enough.

Yes, I injured myself, therefore I can no longer learn anything or form an opinion on the matter no longer.

Fortunately enough, you came back from it. My intent isn't to put you down though, but to point out that it seems like you just keep going on about how I'm going to hurt myself. I read your log, and it seems you're lifting with injuries fairly regularly, so I'm sure you understand how that would come across to me.

But as I said before, I'm taking my cues from watching people with big lifts doing paused bench press in the same manner, and not cracking their ribs. It seems that people who suffer major injuries from bench pressing are normally those who lift shirted, but I pay no attention to shirted lifts as I personally don't see them as valid.

But it really does seem like you're telling me I definitely will hurt myself, rather than offering some advice, as what I've been watching is contrary to your advice. If that's not your intention, fair enough, it seems we both expect eachothers' posts to be of a certain way, and as such our responses are reflective of that.

 

[Serge]

To be honest I always assumed a paused rep was with the weight supported by your arms - and that the 'pause' was the extra time you had to hold the weight in position. I've never really got into the paused rep side of things though so yeah... don't take my word as gospel or anything.

You're both right really. You can do paused reps and maintain some degree of tension or you can do dead stop pause reps. Dead stop reps being the harder ones as you go from no tension to max tension straight away, they're good for developing power out of the hole so to speak. I can sit up to about 90% of my 1RM on my chest with no tension and feel okay, but it depends on the person.

Another option to still get the benefit if you don't like resting the bar on your chest would be to set the catchers just at your chest and concentrically bench off them, I've found that's helped loads with power development because regular touch and go presses feel so simple and comfortable by comparison.

 

[FrenchTart]

You're both right really. You can do paused reps and maintain some degree of tension or you can do dead stop pause reps. Dead stop reps being the harder ones as you go from no tension to max tension straight away, they're good for developing power out of the hole so to speak. I can sit up to about 90% of my 1RM on my chest with no tension and feel okay, but it depends on the person.

Another option to still get the benefit if you don't like resting the bar on your chest would be to set the catchers just at your chest and concentrically bench off them, I've found that's helped loads with power development because regular touch and go presses feel so simple and comfortable by comparison.

Cheers for the clarification

I really really hated doing bench without decent catchers (at least when I didn't have a spotter I knew well/trusted) so if I were to go that route I imagine I'd go for the catcher placement option.

 

[Delvis]

If so, fair enough.



Fortunately enough, you came back from it. My intent isn't to put you down though, but to point out that it seems like you just keep going on about how I'm going to hurt myself. I read your log, and it seems you're lifting with injuries fairly regularly, so I'm sure you understand how that would come across to me.

But as I said before, I'm taking my cues from watching people with big lifts doing paused bench press in the same manner, and not cracking their ribs. It seems that people who suffer major injuries from bench pressing are normally those who lift shirted, but I pay no attention to shirted lifts as I personally don't see them as valid.

But it really does seem like you're telling me I definitely will hurt myself, rather than offering some advice, as what I've been watching is contrary to your advice. If that's not your intention, fair enough, it seems we both expect eachothers' posts to be of a certain way, and as such our responses are reflective of that.

I said leaving 180kg on your chest may make it crack one day if you have no other support, I.e. you literally have it on your rib cage and no tension is taken with your arms, I didn't intentially tell you 'spoffle, you are going to hurt yourself one day if you keep doing that' did I?

I honestly couldn't care less how you lift, I will probably never bench 180kg, am I bothered? No. Am I going to slate your lift because of that? No, that's just dickish.

However, saying someone can't give advice/opinions/pointers because they have injured themselves previously or are currently injured is somewhat silly.

 

[Serge]

Cheers for the clarification

I really really hated doing bench without decent catchers (at least when I didn't have a spotter I knew well/trusted) so if I were to go that route I imagine I'd go for the catcher placement option.

I know what you mean, it's frustrating having the knowledge that you can go harder but the risk/reward ratio prevents you from doing so. I'm not sure what type of training you do but it's well worth a go if you're into strength/power. I'm running the Smolov JR bench at the moment doing everything paused and I can really feel the difference after the sessions by introducing the pause.