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It's similar to quark - low carb/fat high protein but more like greek Yoghurt.

The quickest way to work out calories for weight loss is bw in lbs x8-10 - the more inactive you are outside the gym (lifting doesn't burn that much anyway) the closer to 8 you'll have to be. Someone who drives to work and sits at a desk all day will have to go lower than someone who is on their feet for their job or even someone who walks as part of their commute all body stats being the same. There are fancy calculators like this one but even then it's just a starting point.

This is the the simplest means of setting macros (don't worry too much about what the calculator says for p/c/f):
Protein = 1-1.4g per lb of lean bodyweight (you should have a rough idea of your body fat %, if not just google some body fat % in pictures tables)
Fat = 15-25% of calories
Carbs = the rest

A 500 calorie deficit off maint. is a good place to start, then you can adjust as necessary based on how quickly/slowly you lose weight. A sensible average is 0.5-1% loss of total bodyweight a week as this will help minimise the chances of any of your losses coming from muscle (although the most important thing is to keep lifting what you were lifting before the diet started). Starting out, aim for 1% then taper down if you're planning on finishing your diet really lean. So if you were 190lbs, 25% bf and had a TDEE of say, 2500 cals (just throwing a figure out of thin air) and were starting your diet on 2000 calories, then it could be something like this:

Protein 140g
Fat 50g
Carbs 245g

IMO most people will do best going for ranges - that is aim to hit whatever calories you've got accurately, but be a little flexible in how you get there by aiming to hit a minimum target for protein/fat. So using the above examples, protein minimum would be 140g and could go as high as 200g, fat 33g-56g (33g sounds low but in reality you'll probably be dieting on more than 2000 cals so it'd be higher). You can also allow a 10g margin for error with protein/carb and maybe 5g for fat because tracking is inherently inaccurate anyway (food labels are allowed to have a margin of error, no two items of the same food will be identical nutrition wise etc). The obvious caveat is that if you go higher on protein you'll end up taking carbs away (a 1-1 swap as both are 4 calories per gram where as fat is 9 cals/gram) and carbs when dieting are always your friend!

What you'll probably find is that due to your own dietary preferences, you will veer towards certain meals and foods so unless you have a day when you're feeling the need to blow a load of your carbs/fat on pizza and have to eat chicken salad and whey you'll end up with similar numbers most days. You'll also find once you've been tracking for a couple of weeks, you get to know what kind of food combinations work for your numbers. Most people I know fall into two camps:
1) they count as they go along
2) they plan ahead

I find 2) less of a headache - it takes me 5-10mins a day to plan for the next day's food and is low stress. Put down the macros for dinner, then lunch as these will have the primary protein sources, then pad out the rest of the carbs/fat/secondary protein sources (e.g. 100g of oats will have 9-10g of protein in). Using things like MyFitnessPal or MyMacros+ makes doing things like this easy since it does all the adding up for you.

Cardio isn't required unless you enjoy doing it. It can be used as a tool to allow you to eat more if that helps with adherence, or as a means of creating a bigger deficit if you find you can't bear the thought of eating even less when results slow/stall.
 
How many of you guys have used a slingshot for bench

Been using my blue slingshot for a few months now, great tool to have along side belt etc

Yup, love it :D I'd recommend it to raw benchers, there's so many different ways to use it to help your bench.

I've used one recently, the Maddog (black) one. They're quite interesting, I think it's going to be a very interesting companion to doing exclusively paused bench pressing. It smashed my nervous system when I tried it.

The funniest thing though is it gives you an idea of how bench shirts work, and makes a mockery of those who swear blind that bench shirts don't add any poundage, they just "help stability".
 
Wow, thanks for all the info! I'm closer to 8 on the scale then as I'm a uni student but work long 11 hour shifts every weekend on my feet all day. But like I say, only twice a week. So 190lb x 8 is 1520 calories if my mental math is correct? So I should be eating 1500 a day?

I've tried looking at body fat % examples but it's still really hard to go off. I'd guess at high teens - 20%. I hold most my fat in lower stomach and chest it seems, leaving shoulders and arms pretty lean and my back crazy lean. It's the lower stomach bit that I want to shift mainly but an overall leaning off will be nice!

I'll keep a look out for Skyr in shops, hope it tastes better than quark!
 
As said, 8 is for the really sedentary bar the gym. I'd use an online calculator like say, this one:
http://www.1percentedge.com/ifcalc/

Ignore the training/rest day although you could use the 2nd one for those 11 shifts days (reduce the deficit by a couple of hundred cal perhaps). Get your TDEE, knock -500 calories or so off that and play around with the protein/carb/fat values to match the rough recommended amounts. The first week of any decent deficit you'll shed a load of water weight but after than it'll slow down and weight loss should be somewhat consistent - I like doing a weekly average by weighing every day as day-to-day can fluctuate a lot based on things like stress, sodium intake etc.

These things are always a reference point to start off with:
http://rippedbody.jp/diet-guides-main-page/

Has more good info than I could type out on this stuff.
 
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I've used one recently, the Maddog (black) one. They're quite interesting, I think it's going to be a very interesting companion to doing exclusively paused bench pressing. It smashed my nervous system when I tried it.

That's the biggest and baddest of slingshots! You find you could do much more with it?
 
That's the biggest and baddest of slingshots! You find you could do much more with it?

Yeah definitely, I find it's useful to overload the triceps. When I first tried it, it rinsed my triceps like they've never been rinsed before.

I couldn't get an accurate feel of just how much it added because I've been slacking at the gym lately, when I tried it I hadn't been to the gym for about 2 months, but I got 190x1 with it, 180x3 and a very easy 160x5. Unassisted that day was 160x3.

The first thing to go was my nervous system, I'm getting back into it a bit more now so trying to go at least a few times a week from now on. :D

It's really good fun though, I can see many GAINZ on their way from its use.
 
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As said, 8 is for the really sedentary bar the gym. I'd use an online calculator like say, this one:
http://www.1percentedge.com/ifcalc/

Ignore the training/rest day although you could use the 2nd one for those 11 shifts days (reduce the deficit by a couple of hundred cal perhaps). Get your TDEE, knock -500 calories or so off that and play around with the protein/carb/fat values to match the rough recommended amounts. The first week of any decent deficit you'll shed a load of water weight but after than it'll slow down and weight loss should be somewhat consistent - I like doing a weekly average by weighing every day as day-to-day can fluctuate a lot based on things like stress, sodium intake etc.

These things are always a reference point to start off with:
http://rippedbody.jp/diet-guides-main-page/

Has more good info than I could type out on this stuff.


Thanks for all your help dude, appreciate it greatly. Apparently my TDEE is 2561 calories, so easy enough to remember that I should be aiming for 2060'ish calories per day with around 150g protein (600 calories). 15-25% of them 2000 calories should come in the form of fats, so lets say 20% - thats 400 calories worth of fat each day which by my maths is around 45g.

So the remaining 1000 calories each day should come from carbs - 250g.

Can someone just confirm I understand this and have worked it out correctly.

Daily intake:
150g Protein
45g Fat
250g Carbs
 
Yes. There's no need to get hyper-anal about hitting them exactly, and as said it can be easier to go by ranges so if you go over protein by 20g you can just lop 20g of carbs off or something like 9-10g fat. Carbs are usually the thing that are easiest to manipulate (e.g. adding/removing a piece of fruit since something like an apple will be barely 1g protein, 20g-ish carbs and not have enough fat to worry about counting). That way if you have a day you want some slightly fattier food for enjoyment/variety you can rejig and still hit your calorie target.

Obviously try those numbers for a bit and see how things are looking - accuracy of tracking can be an issue for some but as long as you're consistent, even if you're inconsistent consistently... it'll be consistent (ka-boom!). Generally slow and steady wins the race - it can be tempting to lose 1lb and want to lose 2lb but unless you're doing a short-term extreme diet like the Rapid Fat Loss Protocol you'll feel better and train better not hammering yourself into the ground with a huge deficit, since dieting obviously affects recovery and is a stress on the body (as it doesn't know you're just trying to get shreddies, it just thinks you're slowly starving to death).
 
Random question, not sure if already covered.

Whilst warming up on the jogger a few days ago, a person came next to me wearing what I would describe as a bane mask. I asked what it was used for, he said it simulates high altitude training (thinner air).

Has anyone had any experience with these? What were the results like?

Thanks
 
Random question, not sure if already covered.

Whilst warming up on the jogger a few days ago, a person came next to me wearing what I would describe as a bane mask. I asked what it was used for, he said it simulates high altitude training (thinner air).

Has anyone had any experience with these? What were the results like?

Thanks

I think it's covered well here:

 
Ahaha yer exactly what i thought.

He seemed pretty convinced, im not exactly sure how it worked, but it looked daft and a bit..."look at me" type
 
Quote from Alex Viada who knows his stuff.

I'm answering this here so it doesn't get buried:

Hypoxia is simply a lack of sufficient oxygen. The reason that the body responds, physiologically, to high altitude is because of a decrease in atmospheric pressure: remember that gas exchange in the lungs occurs via passive diffusion. If you decrease the actual AIR PRESSURE of the air coming in, i.e. it is less dense, the actual amount of total air molecules in a given volume (cubic centimeter of air in the lungs) is decreased. This means that, per square *whatever* of gas exchange surface, fewer molecules of oxygen make their way into the bloodstream. It's not just lack of air, it's the PRESSURE of the incoming air. (Partial pressure of O2)

By increasing the red blood cell count, the body can maximize the amount of oxygen taken in to the bloodstream per cubic centimeter of air. This process takes a while, though, it requires a constant low pressure environment to trigger this costly up-regulation. This is an adaptation that takes time - days, weeks, months of low atmospheric pressure. In the meantime, performance is hindered. Simply training at altitude MAY elicit some adaptations, but in the meantime the actual work being done by the individual decreases, so altitude training may result in a net decrease in performance. Remember, TIME at low pressure matters more than STRESS at low pressure. This is why you should live high (elicit these adaptations) and train low (to keep intensity high). Or just take EPO. Ha.

The issue with the mask, of course, is that it is not low pressure hypoxia, it is simply making it harder to inhale. The pressure of the air coming in is identical to regular atmospheric air and contains plenty of oxygen for the body, which means it in no way simulates altitude or triggers the increase in red blood cell count. It simply makes it harder to breathe, limiting peak performance, forcing the athlete to waste energy on inhalation (which is actually completely backwards, more in a minute), and otherwise do nearly everything counterproductive to a workout.

Why is this backwards? Because no individual is EVER (outside of, say, asthma) limited in athletic performance by a true "lack of air getting into the lungs". It is not the air in the lungs that is insufficient, it is blood flow, oxygen delivery, and oxygen utilization that is insufficient. We only "feel" like we have to breathe harder because the "I'm out of air" sensation is triggered by the brain due to several physiological factors, including systemic stress and changes in blood pH (Note- there is still some debate about these causes). In fact, one of the things elite athletes are best at is CONTROLLING their breathing and NOT wasting energy on harsh breaths, but controlling their rate of inhalation. Breathing too hard can actually cause issues in and of itself - ask any ER doc who's worked with COPD patients who exhaust themselves - better athletes breathe no harder than they have to; it's wasted energy.

So, again, these don't simulate altitude and they teach the individuals all the wrong breathing patterns while decreasing workout intensity. They are literally one of the worst things you can use if you're interested in improved performance.
 
Quick GVT question. Over the two week split should I be changing the 10 x 10 exercise? E.g. first week chest press and then the second week incline. Or can I just keep the same exercise for both weeks?
 
200kg squat need to work on getting lower with it just above 90 at the min but that's some heavy weight to have on your back :o will work on it
 
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