The 5 year plan to £50k

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Housey said:
Reach your mid 30's as our OP is heading towards and very few people are going to be looking at 35 year olds who have done nothing but have just spent 2-4 years at University gaining a tick box, there are far younger people without such baggage who are likely to be much more hungry.
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Yes, I'm pretty sure many professions are closed to me due to my age. Software development, for instance. Nobody is going to hire a 35 year old junior programmer. By the time you've got a portfolio under you belt you'd be retiring :p

But isn't it going to be like that for almost *all* professions? I can't think of many employers who wouldn't rather have a 23 year old starter than a 35 year old starter.

So it's not going to be easy. I imagine, like has been already said, I'll be facing a lot of rejections, and very little interest.
 
FoxEye, I can see what you're doing. I'm just as guilty of doing it myself: you're building barriers. You're jumping to see the worst-case scenario rather than -- although perhaps unrealistic -- being positive.

Here's one fundamental point for you: positivity helps you spot opportunity. Frame yourself accordingly. Be positive, forget the BS.

Here is your task for today, because this goal of yours had begun. It started before you made this thread. Today, you are going to research potential employers, not specific jobs as that's too intangible.

If you're willing to move, cast your net towards cities and start looking in to some large employers/firms within those areas.

Your next step will be to fire off some speculative CVs and/or contact the relevant people via LinkedIn (it's your job to find out who these people are) and put your name out there.

Your qualifications and circumstances are what they are. Stop worrying about it. People make too much of a song and dance about them, and this forum is utterly terrible when it comes to snobbery. Ignore it. Instead, frame yourself. Apply yourself, and show to your future employers just how badly you want to progress and change.

It's time to stop being negative towards your current job and instead learn the business BS to 'upsell' it and your skillsets.

Go do that now.
 
Nix said:
FoxEye, I can see what you're doing. I'm just as guilty of doing it myself: you're building barriers. You're jumping to see the worst-case scenario rather than -- although perhaps unrealistic -- being positive.

Here's one fundamental point for you: positivity helps you spot opportunity. Frame yourself accordingly. Be positive, forget the BS.

Here is your task for today, because this goal of yours had begun. It started before you made this thread. Today, you are going to research potential employers, not specific jobs as that's too intangible.

If you're willing to move, cast your net towards cities and start looking in to some large employers/firms within those areas.

Your next step will be to fire off some speculative CVs and/or contact the relevant people via LinkedIn (it's your job to find out who these people are) and put your name out there.

Your qualifications and circumstances are what they are. Stop worrying about it. People make too much of a song and dance about them, and this forum is utterly terrible when it comes to snobbery. Ignore it. Instead, frame yourself. Apply yourself, and show to your future employers just how badly you want to progress and change.

It's time to stop being negative towards your current job and instead learn the business BS to 'upsell' it and your skillsets.

Go do that now.
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Good advice.
 
I'm guilty of the barriers stuff, I know I'm underpaid in my role. I'm just too worried that my health issues will cause me issues if I switched jobs as my current company is very supportive. Although I'm getting better, so I'll be speaking to them as soon as the next lot of ACCA exam results come through.
 
Pessimism is the British decease and why the optimism of the USA is to be admired rather than derided. Sure, I don't need to blindly stand on my seat and shout positivity, but we need a big dose of it here I feel.
 
sell yourself on ebay on a 12 month lease for 50k, rinse repeat.
you'l have to do a lot of things many of us here wouldnt do but you'l get paid what you wanted starting from year 1
 
FoxEye said:
I need to achieve more. And earn more.
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You're equating earning more with achieving more. You need to set goals, ones that can be achieved, and these goals aren't just "earn 50k" because if your life isn't feeling satisfactory then all 50k will do is give you more money. It won't cure the misery.

Goals require work. You have an easy job and nearly a year before you contract expires. Work hard. I think that's where you'll fail.

/Yoda
 
dowie said:
they had a TV show where everyone in the company revealed their salaries... IIRC his son was the CS manager on something like 40k, the PR/Marketing manager bloke poncing about in the suit was on something similar or maybe 50k and thought he deserved a 10k rise

the 'drains men' however.... 100k or so each - even more than the plumbers
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IIRC it was revealed that 'salary' was only possible if all they did were emergency callouts all the time.
 
Foxeye,

The job your currently in imo is fantastic money, you earn far more than i did either in Iraq or afghan.

I think maybe joining the Army reserves would do you a world of good, get some discipline into you, some independence, get you out of that basement and into a job that will make you appreciate what hardwork is.

Maybe then you'd have the mindset to apply yourself more in your current job, or, failing that, the balls to do the hard work requires to find something else that you enjoy and meets your wage expectations.
 
First of all: if you are earning 27k surely you can afford to move out of your parents? Secondly, a 'career' isn't everything. It depends on what you really want to do with your life. Some people would be perfectly happy on 27k providing they still can do everything they want. Having a goal of earning a certain amount of money seems slightly silly to me, you should first ask yourself what you want from life, then figure out how to get this - more money may not always be the solution. Climbing the hypothetical 'ladder' isn't for everyone.

So I guess my suggestion is basically find out who you really are and what you really want, then figure out how to get there; not getting somewhere then figuring out that wasn't really what you wanted.

Sorry if this doesn't really answer your question.
 
uksoldierboy said:
Foxeye,

The job your currently in imo is fantastic money, you earn far more than i did either in Iraq or afghan.

I think maybe joining the Army reserves would do you a world of good, get some discipline into you, some independence, get you out of that basement and into a job that will make you appreciate what hardwork is.

Maybe then you'd have the mindset to apply yourself more in your current job, or, failing that, the balls to do the hard work requires to find something else that you enjoy and meets your wage expectations.
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Hi mate :) I have no doubt that you're right. Ex-mil people do tend to be disciplined and focused. If only the mil wasn't, at the end of the day, concerned with killing people. As a strict pacifist, I can't join the forces.

But if there was a non-killing version of the military I'd probably sign up tomorrow ;) I know not every role is a combat role but at the end of the day they all serve to support the combat roles.

P.S. Do they really take 34 year olds? I always had the forces down as a young man's game. Much like footballers, by the time they get to 35 they're either officers or approaching retirement, no? Or is that just the army?
 
I'm surprised that being on OcUk for 8 years and living in your parents basement hasn't taught you anything more than basic IT skills.

Did you not even code or do something useful as a hobby/passtime?
 
KaHn said:
No but you're basically asking what the easiest way to improve your life with no qualifications, to the point of earning double the average wage. As I've said in other threads lots of people will complain about not having something than actually changing.

If you're going to change then great, but trying to tell me I'm trying to put you down when I've given pretty decent advice is a bit wrong, I just want you to actually go out and start working your backside off to get to where you want to be and not just ask for advice or sympathy from a forum.

KaHn
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Give it a rest, the guy is trying to make a change in his life and had asked for advice, not a critique of his life. You gave advice, but in the same breath, put him down. We all get that you work in the oil and gas industry and have been offshore, and are clearly very proud of it. Plenty of your posts refer back to that fact. This doesn't make you anything special though.

OP, I don't really know what to suggest, but good luck. 50k in 5 years is going to be a challenge with no quals. Not sure how feasible it is for you, but contract draughtsmen can make £30-40/hr in the right industry, maybe more for piping draughtsmen. There's no doubt that the oil and gas and mining industries have the best opportunities for quick cash accumulation in the engineering field, but they can be difficult to get into and are generally based in very specific locations. A lot of offshore jobs can be pretty unsustainable on a personal level, particularly if you like routine and stability.

A draughting job for a consultancy might be up your street, and is probably achievable. You will start on pennies, but get some decent experience and you can sod off to another company on a contract basis. No pension or paid leave/sick, but you could be looking at possibly £75k+ in the right industry, with less tax (through foxeye ltd.). Contract work is also a bit risky though, no guarantee of continuity of work etc.
 
FoxEye said:
Hi mate :) I have no doubt that you're right. Ex-mil people do tend to be disciplined and focused. If only the mil wasn't, at the end of the day, concerned with killing people. As a strict pacifist, I can't join the forces.

But if there was a non-killing version of the military I'd probably sign up tomorrow ;) I know not every role is a combat role but at the end of the day they all serve to support the combat roles.

P.S. Do they really take 34 year olds? I always had the forces down as a young man's game. Much like footballers, by the time they get to 35 they're either officers or approaching retirement, no? Or is that just the army?
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Medic? Engineers? numerous other NON-killing roles?

I've had charge of a couple of TA and reservist guys. One was the equivalent of a private, he was in his late 50's and was an executive of a multi-million company. He loved the different challenge of the forces. They take all walks of life at different ages.

neodude said:
I went from £22K to £60K in 4 years so it's defo possible. I was around the same age also.
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Doing?
 
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