The Air Rifles & Pistols thread

Mikeyboy · 10 Jun 2012 at 17:59

He either has feet and yards mixed up, or is talking ****.

I suspect the latter.

Mark A · 10 Jun 2012 at 18:01

That software looks pretty useful! I want to see what the results are for .177

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Snaggle · 10 Jun 2012 at 18:30

Mark A said:
That software looks pretty useful! I want to see what the results are for .177 .

robj20 · 10 Jun 2012 at 18:57

He either has feet and yards mixed up, or is talking ****.

I suspect the latter.

4 ft/lbs is enough to kill most small quarry such as rabbits so yes it does, 177 is pushing it though unless you use heavy pellets, doesnt have the same energy retention.

Edit: Some articles even state 2-3ft/lbs is enough, but i like to go with the 4ft/lbs is it allows for poor shot placement better.

Snaggle · 10 Jun 2012 at 19:35

I would love a link where it shows that under 6ftlbs is enough .

Given the legal power of air pistols is 6ftlbs and nobody in there right mind would shoot vermin with one why do you think 4ftlbs and 350fps is enough at 100 yards .

You also have to consider the poi and all the other various factors . Its not responsible to shoot vermin at 100 yards at 12ftlbs period and i will stake my 25 years experience on it . Its why i use .22 and.177hmr for 50-90 and 100-200 yards .

Mark A · 10 Jun 2012 at 19:37

Persil said:
.177 results

Thanks! I have downloaded the program as it seems really useful. Even tells you how many mildots to holdover at different ranges. Useful for when I buy a new scope with them.

robj20 · 10 Jun 2012 at 20:27

Persil said:
I would love a link where it shows that under 6ftlbs is enough .

Given the legal power of air pistols is 6ftlbs and nobody in there right mind would shoot vermin with one why do you think 4ftlbs and 350fps is enough at 100 yards .

You also have to consider the poi and all the other various factors . Its not responsible to shoot vermin at 100 yards at 12ftlbs period and i will stake my 25 years experience on it . Its why i use .22 and.177hmr for 50-90 and 100-200 yards .

No where did I say anyone should shoot quarry at that range, no links its from air gun shooter and air gunner.
And pretty common knowledge on airgunbbs. Really wish people would do a little research before spouting their opinions as fact.

Snaggle · 10 Jun 2012 at 20:47

4 ft/lbs is enough to kill most small quarry such as rabbits so yes it does

but i like to go with the 4ft/lbs is it allows for poor shot placement better.

Even though a sub 12ft/lbs rifle has the energy at 100 yards to kill most smal quarry

Im about to trade my Airwolf in for a Steyr soon as its just not upto 100yards like the steyrs are.

I think i know enough about guns/balistics and shooting in the field to back up what i have said and im sure any competant shooter would back up what i have posted .

robj20 · 10 Jun 2012 at 20:53

Your taking my posts out of context. My XVI is my hunting rifle which I tend to shoot no further than 40 yards. Air wolf soon to be steyr is target rifle for the club.

The original post to which I replied about the limit was someone saying power was the limiting factor, which is not the case.

arekgreenman888 · 10 Jun 2012 at 21:13

Quink said:
You can't 'just' shoot pigeons - you have to comply with the current General Licences that were linked to earlier.

Your absolute maximum hunting range should really be under 50 yards, but you would be better limiting that to 40 yards. There's no way you should ever even contemplate 100 yards on live quarry.

I've seen people on youtube take out pray at 75 yards with pcp's.

Where is that link that say you cant kill as many pigeons as you feel like? Thanks

Snaggle · 10 Jun 2012 at 21:48

arekgreenman888 said:
I've seen people on youtube take out pray at 75 yards with pcp's.

Where is that link that say you cant kill as many pigeons as you feel like? Thanks

chances are they were fac and probably around the 22-30 ftlbs range hence the long shots .

haaammit · 10 Jun 2012 at 21:52

arekgreenman888 said:
I've seen people on youtube take out pray at 75 yards with pcp's.

Where is that link that say you cant kill as many pigeons as you feel like? Thanks

All birds in the UK are protected by law which means you cannot just shoot them. Research GL04 and GL05 here and come back and explain why it is permissible to shoot Wood Pigeons in certain situations.

Persil said:
I would love a link where it shows that under 6ftlbs is enough .

Given the legal power of air pistols is 6ftlbs and nobody in there right mind would shoot vermin with one why do you think 4ftlbs and 350fps is enough at 100 yards .

You also have to consider the poi and all the other various factors . Its not responsible to shoot vermin at 100 yards at 12ftlbs period and i will stake my 25 years experience on it . Its why i use .22 and.177hmr for 50-90 and 100-200 yards .

You have a .177 hmr?

4Ftlbs is generally the accepted amount to kill a rabbit.

Snaggle · 10 Jun 2012 at 22:01

You have a .177 hmr?

Yes CZ 452 varmint

haaammit · 10 Jun 2012 at 22:02

Persil said:
I think i know enough about guns/balistics and shooting in the field to back up what i have said and im sure any competant shooter would back up what i have posted .

Persil said:
Yes CZ 452 varmint

In .177 hmr?

Your earlier graph showed an energy retained of 5ftlbs in .22 @ 100 yards.

Snaggle · 10 Jun 2012 at 22:18

they were air rifle graphs at 11.5ftlbs not rimfire . i mention 22 rim and 177hmr as i do most of my shooting above air rifle range and they are what i tend to use. Only on the smaller farm or in barns do i use air rifles

haaammit · 10 Jun 2012 at 22:23

You do know that the CZ 452 has never been available in .177 cal don't you?

Snaggle · 10 Jun 2012 at 22:25

sorry my bad .. i always do it

.17hmr

haaammit · 10 Jun 2012 at 22:30

Persil said:
sorry my bad .. i always do it .17hmr

You should try my .22-250-17777777 - it's pretty good

Snaggle · 10 Jun 2012 at 22:33

great round but dam thing eats barrels . Will stick to my .223 ty

arekgreenman888 · 10 Jun 2012 at 22:40

GL04 and GL05 shows that you can kill over 10 different bird types.