The Air Rifles & Pistols thread

New scope came yesterday. I just went with the one that looked the coolest going by the pictures.

It is HUGE, bigger than i thought. Something you would see of a 50.cal rifle... :rolleyes:

Mounts was 20mm and i need 11m mounts so had to order some of them now. Hope they are high enough for the scope. :p

11m mounts might be a little high! :D

What scope is it? and what rifle is it going on? Sorry, Cometa right?

Simon
 
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Yeah it is a Cometa. Scope is ebay special, only cost £26 but looks a feels solid with plenty of adjustable turny things :p

Also has a red and green cross-air light button.

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Oh sheet.... :D
 
Holy heck that's a big piece of glass at the front!
You are going to need high mounts for that at least!

Looks like a standard 1" tube though so you'll have plenty of choice. Get some with a built in arrestor pin or that's going to walk off the back of your rifle!
 
I'm Interested in an good solid Air Pistol £200 max, any recommendations?

cheers

I own a number of realistic replicas. My latest addition was the Umarex Beretta Mod. 84 FS. I put mine through it's paces recently during my first visit to a local range. I was consistently scoring hits at about 25 yards. The accuracy became more erratic as the CO2 pressure tapered off. It's a cracking little pistol though, with a very interesting magazine design. I think the Umarex Makarov Ultra will be my next purchase.

Edit: The Cybergun Sig Sauer P226 X-Five is a worthy mention.
 
Yeah it is a Cometa. Scope is ebay special, only cost £26 but looks a feels solid with plenty of adjustable turny things :p

Also has a red and green cross-air light button.



Oh sheet.... :D

It's a beast of a scope but in this case bigger most definitely isn't better. I suspect you'll find it very limiting due to the shallow depth of field and fixed parallax.
 
Hi,

I am still a bit confused about the UK Laws and Regulation Regarding the purchase of Airsoft (and similar) Guns, and what actually constitutes a 'realistic imitation firearm'.

For example can I walk into a registered retailer in the U.K. and legally purchase an air pistol, such as Beeman 2004E (for example) without first being registered with on the UKARA database?

...and before anyone asks, I am over 18!

Edit: It would only be used in my garden, (vermin control) and never taken out in public or anything like that.

Thanks! :)
 
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There is an airsoft thread :)

The pistol you quoted is an air pistol ig my memory serves me and an air weapon should not be confusef with an airsoft weapon. One can fire lead pellets and metal ball bearing... one shoots light weight plastic balls.
Do you want to know about Air weapons or Airsoft or both? Just so i dont give you the wrong info :)
 
Sorry... as it's title is "The Air Rifles and Pistols thread", I assumed it covered both!

I have been told than an airsoft weapon wouldn't be much use to deter a grey squirrel, for example, and therefore assumed that an air pistol, or possibly something which fired metal ball bearings might be a bit more suitable.

I am really only at the 'information gathering stage' at the moment, and if I do buy anything at all I would wish to keep it below (say) £75.... hence my mention of a Beeman 2004E which a local dealer just happens to have in stock.
 
just seen your edit airgun it is then not airsoft. The ukara only relates to airsofters that want to buy realistic copies of existing firearm and doesnt relate to airguns at all.

Either A) i can answer your questions and text dump here once im home
B) i can jump on teamspeak in about 30 mins and answer any questions that way

Let me know either way ;)

Edit For vermin you want pellrts not ball bearing and an airsoft weapon would tickle the squirrel lol. I wouldnt recommend the Beeman you mentioned due to it only pushing 2.5ftlbs with a minimum advised requirement for vermin of about 4ftlbs with pistols being capped at 6ftlbs energy
 
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Thanks for your very prompt reply which effectively crossed with mine!

It looks if I can effectively forget all about airsoft 'weapons' then, which starts to narrow things down a bit. One of the reasons for my original question was that the model I mentioned looks to me if if it could possibly be mistaken for a 'real' pistol, but perhaps I am worrying unnecessarily!

Hope this helps! :)
 
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Thanks again for the offer!

I am actually ashamed to say that I have never heard of 'teamspeak' before, and as I am currently at home, using a desktop computer, I am therefore more than happy to wait until you are home, and to communicate on the forum here, if that's OK.

A bit of advice and guidance is always welcome! :)

P.S. Just read your last edit, and wondered if I would find the sort of thing you mentioned in a pistol within my price bracket?
 
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lol fair enough. (Teamspeak is a VOIP program for pc's and i'm not trying to Jimmy Saville you :D )

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  • You can buy an air pistol or rifle as your 18 by just merely walking into the shop with ID (due to your age) and you won't have any problems. You can buy air pistols up to 6ftlbs (8 Joules) or air rifle up to 12 ft lbs (16 Joules). Any air rifle or air pistol over those limits you will need a firearms certificate but this shouldn't be any worry for you.

  • Generally Air pistols/rifles will be firing lead pellets but some pistols also fire metal ball bearings but these are unsuitable for vermin thumping and you should stick to pellets.

  • With airguns to kill vermin you are covered by a "General license" to kill collared doves wood pigeon, crows, rooks, jackdaws, magpies, jays, feral pigeons, brown rats, grey squirrels and rabbits as long as they are being treated as vermin for health or protection or property and land (eg destroying crops or plants/trees). You don't need to apply for anything you are just automatically covered by it. Having said that don't start shooting at any passing pigeon that comes you way in your garden.

    You cant shoot or kill any songbirds or conventional garden dwelling animals like hedgehogs, sparrows, thrushes, starlings etc. That will get you in trouble.

  • You Shouldn't fire an Air rifle or pistol within 50 feet of the center of a public highway if it means anyone being injured, interrupted or endangered. Eg firing at something and there's a road right next to where you are firing but you should be OK within your back garden as long as the pellet doesn't leave the boundaries of your property. As soon as it goes into a neighbors property you have commuted an offense unless they have given permission for you to shoot on their property.


For killing a grey squirrel ideally I would say you want something pushing 4ftlbs + at 10m range. I doubt you would get much closer than 10m to a squirrel without it getting too twitchy or doing a runner. Anything under 4ft lbs i would say isn't powerful enough to dispatch a Squirrel cleanly, humanely and effectively. I've seen people take pheasants with a 2.5 ft lbs Air pistol at really close (sub 5m) range to the head but not advisable.

Pistol wise you are very limited in you options for anythign shooting between 4-6ft lbs and it starts to get expensive.

The following shoot over 4 ft lbs

£80-90 Crosman 2240 Co2 pistol (upto about 5.5ft lbs I believe)

Fairly reliable and simple air pistol which should be ideal for the Job. Single shot loading via a bolt action on the top and takes 12g co2 capsules so no cocking or springs. As it's co2 it will have a lot less recoil than a spring pistol and is easier to shoot. Highly customizable if you wanted to get into that side in the future


£80-110 Crosman 1377 American Classic Pump Pneumatic pistol (upto about 5.5ft lbs again with the max pumps)

As above fairly reliable and simple air pistol which should be ideal for the Job. Single shot loading via a bolt action on the top but this takes its power source from pumping the fore grip up to 10 times to get increasing power up towards the higher end of its capability. Again no spring so no recoil and fairly easy to shoot. Highly customizable again


The only other 2 pistols i would recommend but are way out you budget are the Wiehrauch HW45 but this can be hand for about £150-175, build quality is amazing, capable of upto 5.5ft lbs and it's really reliable and great to shoot but it's a spring pistol so a lot harder for a novice to shoot due to the recoil. Then the other would be the Webley Alecto a single shot pneumatic up to 5.5ftlbs with 3 pumps and very accurate but lesser build quality compared to the HW45 but a lot easier to use as it has no recoil. Sadly has a price of £250+.

I wouldn't bother with the break barrel pistols you see from GAMO and the like as unless you are used to shooting springer pistol you will be horrendous at shooting them and lucky if anything to hit the target.

The alternate option

Buy an air rifle.

There are some cheap (and fairly nasty) air rifles for about £80 give or take a tenner. The Baikal MP-512M comes to mind or any SMK rifle but they should do the job but be pains in the process.

Alternatively you can try picking up a used air rifle such as any BSA or Webley break barrel air rifle and they should be pushing 7-9ft lbs and be decent enough and accurate enough to easily do the job although you will have to practice getting use to the spring recoil but it's no where near as bad as a spring pistol
 
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Thank you... again, for such a long and comprehensive post, which I am sure that others will find of interest also.

Actually I reckon that I might be even closer than 10m to the squirrel(s) in question as they like to pinch food off the bird table, and appear quite bold. I will have a measure up outside in the morning to check though!

Unfortunately a lot of the models you mention are outside my budget, but my plan now is to visit a local stockist within the next day or so, to see if they can offer anything similar. For ease and speed of use, I would prefer to stick to a pistol, and was really looking for something that would give the squirrel a shock, rather than actually killing or wounding him, but appreciate now that this may not be a practical option.

I am pleased to know that I can just walk into a shop and buy something (hopefully) suitable, without having to worry about certificates or licences though.
 
Please do not buy a cheap pistol / rifle and use it on animals .. the chances of injuring or maiming them with low powered inaccurate airguns .

Build a better table or save and buy something that's up to the job . There is also legal repercussions if your shots go outside your boundary or of you are to close to a highway
 
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