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** The AMD Navi Thread **

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by subbytna, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. Zernath

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    I suppose hope is always the last to die! :p
     
  2. vapor matt

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    I think the R7 is a stonking card, RTX features are not jaw dropping more like FPS dropping lol but understand why you wanted to see with your own eyes. So what’s the verdict for you?

    R7 or 2080 with RTX features.
     
  3. Illuminist

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    The R7 is more fun to play with and overclock and the drivers are incredible ( nvidia drivers although looking like windows 98 recover better from crashes)
    The speed is very similar but the 2080's edge can be felt, (also shhhhhhh but the gsync emulation on my free sync monitor is much better than just the freesync on the R7)

    But I have to say having just played with the 2080 for 1 day, it's the better card :(
    And I wish it wasn't the case, really and truly, but i could tell the difference in just 2 hours using it, AMD talk the big game but the cards just are on a different level
    Maybe Navi will change this with the architecture adjustments and going forward, only time will tell.
     
  4. Poneros

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  5. FoxEye

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    So AMD don't have the superior architecture/products after all?
     
  6. Illuminist

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    Architecture yes, gaming product no. The radeon 7 would eat the 2080 alive in any non gaming apps, the floating point is off the chain as is the memory size and bandwidth.

    Actually the most glaring difference was that when games are loading the R7 was like an ssd to a hdd compared to the 2080, loading bars barely existed before and are a thing again now.
     
  7. bru

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    It is really good to hear of your experience, changing from Red to Green and not just slagging of the other side, but being constructive.
     
  8. 8myers8

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    Well get the Radeon RX 5700 XT 50th Anniversary edition day one if overclockers get stock off them and i am fast to order one before all go , as need a new card in my 2nd PC , and want too see how the new cards run ....
     
  9. dragonslayer

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    They're only for USA/ China from what I've read
     
  10. BigBANGtheory

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    R7 and 2080 are not 4k "can do it all cards", great if you're on 1440p but in 4k land nope totally pointless sku given the money being asked.

    2080Ti @2070 prices yeah that could work but doesn't exist

    2080Ti Super @1080Ti price could also work but doesn't exist

    not sure what more to say, discreet GPU gaming for PC 4k is officially screwed atm
     
  11. strocky

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    Actually quite mental, tribal behaviour over bits of silicon and plastic
     
  12. Zernath

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    Humans are tribal by nature, so why does this surprise you? I've seen people take sides over much less!
     
  13. 8myers8

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  14. Panos

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    From the slides above @Poneros posted, something intriguing.

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    I picked 1 game, Metro Exodus, a game were the Vega cards are hit in performance due to been an Nvidia title.

    Vega 56 at 1080p 69 avg at 1080p. The 5700XT at 1440p does then 71-73 avg fps at 1440p according to this image.
    According to this,
    https://www.techspot.com/review/1795-metro-exodus-benchmarks/

    71fps is within the RVII territory at 1440 a card 50% more expensive.

    Now Apex Legends, V56 does around 113fps at 1080p on DX11, would someone say is 125 fps shown for the 5700XT at 1440p?
    Thats massive considering RTX2080Ti does 134 fps at 1440p.

    (OCNET was the only one found having both 1080p and 1440p)
    https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/software/apex_legends_pc_performance_review/6

    AC Odyssey we know already 5700XT beats all GCN cards even the RVII.

    Lets pick GTA5. V56 does around 84fps on very high quality at 1080p. We see here 5700XT does 85-86fps at 1440p.
    That means shows the same FPS with the RVII also.

    1080p V56
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/13973/nvidia-gtx-1660-ti-review-feat-evga-xc-gaming/10

    1440p RVII
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/13923/the-amd-radeon-vii-review/11

    What we see here, is that we are unreasonable rushing on bashing the Navi 5700XT, 3 weeks before proper reviews are out.

    Ofc I would like to have a read on ENDNOTE EX-337, because lets be honest, we have seen a lot of trickery on small prints from Nvidia, Intel (who forgot the 9900K vs 2700X comparison?) and AMD.
    However at least this slide is in line with what we expect on GPU heavy scenarios from the overall performance of the card, and what we see here, this is a damn fast GPU, if it so close to to the RVII on 2560x1440. Though I would like to see more Vulkan performance, as I care more about it due to X4, SC, Doom Eternal and potentially ESO.
    (I would have said TW3K also but only in Linux supports Vulkan, hence boycotting the game)

    Update :
    Found another review for Apex Legends

    https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3443-apex-legends-gpu-benchmark-1080p-1440p-4k

    So the 5700XT is within 1 fps from the RVII also, even if we pick this V56 1080p numbers.
     
  15. Grim5

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    RDNA is better than GCN At games ? To be expected

    Also the Radeon 7 is a 4K card, I place little value on lower resolutions For it
     
  16. JediFragger

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    Wow, that gap from a V56 is smaller than I expected. I dare say a well-tweaked Vega56 (such as mine, 1440p/75hz) would be in the ballpark of the 5700XT (mostly). Definitely curious to see the benchmarks now!
     
  17. Grim5

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    huh?

    Check the graph again - it's showing Vega performance at 1080p vs the 5700xt at 1440p. The 5700xt is doing higher FPS AND pushing 50% more pixels at the same time.
    That's a nice cherry picked graph, but let's assume it's an average anyway for what we'll see in reviews - that's about 55% faster than the Vega 56 - you can't make that up by overclocking the Vega and we don't yet know how well the 5700xt overclocks either - what we do know is that out of the box it's average clocks are way lower than it's maximum - which tells me that with it's own tweak and some better cooling the 5700xt should get 200-300mhz extra clock speed from tweaks and cooling. And this excludes the GDDR6 memory, which what we've seen on Turing is that GDDR6 loves to be overclocked and if you get Samsung GDDR6 you can do +1500mhz on the memory
     
  18. JediFragger

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    Yup, now I see it. Ok then, a big jump lol
     
  19. fewfe3

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    The graph does seem like a good jump, until you consider the prices. You have been able to get a Vega 56 for £250 sometimes even less. Whereas 5700xt looks like it will be closer to £450. So for nearly double the price you would expect it to be able to push 50% more pixels at a higher frame rate.
     
  20. Panos

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    However RVII is £630+ without blower cooler like the 5700XT.
    That's 50% more expensive for potentially same performance at 2560x1440!

    Ofc reviews pending.