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** The AMD Navi Thread **

So your solution is to A) Pay more for cooling B) Pay more for power (I.e. attempt to ignore the issues). C) On par with in some games with a 1080. Other games it drops to 1070 levels.

It isn't for 'smart' people it is for enthusiasts or those willing to figure out or research how to get the best from it.

What they promised and what they delivered were VERY different.
 
Poneros said:
For smart people, there has never been a better GPU launch.
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How many did you buy and mine with then? Show us your setup, as you seem to me so smart and we are all plebs here... :p

People here are talking about GAMING not mining. As a gaming card it was a fail. Simple as that.
 
Scougar said:
So your solution is to A) Pay more for cooling B) Pay more for power (I.e. attempt to ignore the issues). C) On par with in some games with a 1080. Other games it drops to 1070 levels.

It isn't for 'smart' people it is for enthusiasts or those willing to figure out or research how to get the best from it.

What they promised and what they delivered were VERY different.
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Yes, smart people do their research. That's part and parcel of being smart, unless the added benefit of doing said research does not outweigh its time cost.

TNA said:
How many did you buy and mine with then? Show us your setup, as you seem to me so smart and we are all plebs here... :p

People here are talking about GAMING not mining. As a gaming card it was a fail. Simple as that.
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Thank you for recognising that you don't understand the simple concept of value.
 
TNA said:
How many did you buy and mine with then? Show us your setup, as you seem to me so smart and we are all plebs here... :p

People here are talking about GAMING not mining. As a gaming card it was a fail. Simple as that.
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^^ ^This. (And I sold my gfx card to intentionally buy Vega on release, so I well aware of the reality on launch. As mentioned it got much better over time).

Anyway TNA, be careful.. unless you mined with the card, you aren't smart /S


Navi should hopefully come to address the power concerns of Polaris, bringing some parity back with Nvidia. I also hope it addresses the profit margin that AMD have with each card, allowing them to be more competitive. it is a shame we won't get a high-end part for a while, but making sales in low/mid-range is beneficial.
 
Poneros said:
Yes, smart people do their research. That's part and parcel of being smart, unless the added benefit of doing said research does not outweigh its time cost.



Thank you for recognising that you don't understand the simple concept of value.
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I'm an IT security professional that has to research. I've worked in labs developing products. I currently assist with prototype products from a well-renowned company in the UK. Please tell us again about being smart on research. You are on an enthusiast forum, don't try and be a smart arse.
 
Poneros said:
Yes, smart people do their research. That's part and parcel of being smart, unless the added benefit of doing said research does not outweigh its time cost.



Thank you for recognising that you don't understand the simple concept of value.
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Show us your mining rigs mate :p

When you cannot make a argument for the card as a gaming card, you start talking about mining and insulting others intelligence. You lost the argument right there ;)

All you are doing is showing that you are not unbiased and digging yourself a hole. Also many people do not take what you have to say seriously due to the extreme bias you are displaying.


Scougar said:
I'm an IT security professional that has to research. I've worked in labs developing products. I currently assist with prototype products from a well-renowned company in the UK. Please tell us again about being smart on research. You are on an enthusiast forum, don't try and be a smart arse.
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Not good enough for him. Lol.
 
Poneros said:
Case in point. No ability to think for oneself, just always deferral to others.
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Well at least Vega was perfect in your own little world.

For the rest of us It was terrible at launch..... period.

Yes it got a bit better performance wise but it was only when the pricing got ridiculously low that people including myself who bought one started to see it as a viable option.

Because I bought one I know it’s strengths and it’s weakness’s. I am very much a realist and not so heavily blinkered.
 
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Poneros said:
Compared to the competition Vega destroyed them in perf/$, because it could make MANY MORE $s
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Mining has absolutly nothing to do with the current discussion and I have no idea why you brought it up as a basis for recommending a GPU. It would be like recomending a certain car because you can earn money by winning races. Or recommending a certain pair of hair straighteners becausse you can make money by straightening other peoples hair. A completely invilid argument.

Poneros said:
Too much power consumption? No problem, you can pay it off.
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You'd make a great car salesman. Not enough miles per gallon? No problem, win more races to pay it off.

I cant work out if you're joking or being serious.
 
CuriousTomCat said:
Mining has absolutly nothing to do with the current discussion and I have no idea why you brought it up as a basis for recommending a GPU. It would be like recomending a certain car because you can earn money by winning races. Or recommending a certain pair of hair straighteners becausse you can make money by straightening other peoples hair. A completely invilid argument.
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Those analogies fail for the simple reason that they're competitions or require skills, not only that but they require your active participation. What's the skill of clicking an icon? In fact, if you didn't want the hassle you could've just had nicehash do all the work for you (less returns, but still plenty). And besides setting up an account that's all that was left to do - click a button. If you want to tell me not everyone can click a button - okay.

I made a very simple argument with regards to value, but people get so emotional they can't regain their composure to address it. No worries, I'm not going to address people's hallucinations of what I said or what they intentionally misread.

If AMD said, listen guys, after 6-12 months of usage we give you the money back for your GPU - would that have made Vega a better or worse gaming card than it was? There's no big essential difference between the two, and yet people want to ignore how much money you could've made with them at the time as if it wasn't common knowledge but rather some sort of 'arcane' thing. That's fine with me, people are free to ignore sections of reality all they want. Doesn't change the facts, and it doesn't change the numbers, and it doesn't change the fact that no GPU launch has been better than Vega's. Boy would it be nice if a 2080 ti had the same opportunity, you could run it at night when you sleep and have it pay itself back a year later, maybe even make you enough to buy a Big Mac or two - or some Cheetos & Mountain Dew for the gaming sesh, no judgement here. ;) Too bad it can't be like that again.
 
LePhuronn said:
Nope, I've read this a couple of times and I have no idea what's going on now.
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Me either. Guy if living in his own little world it seems. The 1080 and 1080 Ti made money from mining too, he makes it sound like it was just Vega's... Does not matter though, we are talking about gaming cards, he is still going on about mining which still majority of the people buying a Vega or any GPU still don't know about/care about today. Still many mainstream people I talk to do not even know what crypto is for god sakes. Lol.
 


An unknown AMD GPU has popped up in the GFXBench/CompuBench benchmark site and from the looks of it, seems to be one of the upcoming 'Navi' SKUs. The GPU is identified by its PCI Express ID 66AF:F1. It is still early to conclude but a glance at the scores gives an impression that this GPU scores very high on pure graphics performance compared to the Vega 56 and 64 but trails behind the Vega 64 and the new Radeon VII when it comes to compute scores

A comparison of the GFXBench scores of the AMD 66AF:F1 with the Radeon RX Vega 64 shows that the purported Navi variant leads significantly in the Aztec Ruins Normal Tier (1080p) and High Tier tests 1440p). This could imply that GCN6 in Navi is tailored more towards raw graphics than compute. We aren't exactly sure about the specs of this particular entry but expect to see variants with anywhere between 20 to 40 higher clocked CUs when Navi launches.
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https://www.notebookcheck.net/Could...te-performance-than-the-Vega-64.413728.0.html
Could this be Navi? New AMD 66AF:F1 GPU pops up on CompuBench, offers better graphics but lower compute performance than the Vega 64
 
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Yes but it does allow for the fan boy's to suddenly do a U turn, and start to praise Raja again for fixing the GCN architecture, which of course would make him a saviour rather than the currant scapegoat that he seems to be portrayed as.;)

But yes probably mostly nonsense, as you say.
 
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