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** The AMD Navi Thread **

Besty said:
I will revisit tomorrow and have a look at it and maybe put together a fps/power graph based on my sheet. I really want to get the GTX1080 numbers vs the 5700 non-Xt nailed and then look again on launch day. I think that’s the battleground. AMD and Nvidia are Fighting against the 1080 used market sales in the MM

re:1080 power pig. My world view is skewed as my 1080ti HoF has three 8 pins and is connected to a dedicated liquid radiator larger and heavier than a 6 year old child.
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the the 5700 is only the same speed as a 1080 with the same power despite being 7nm then AMD's main GPU issues seem to remain.
 
The problem I have with AMD cards is if you are at the higher end of gaming (1440p ultrawide or 4k gaming), Radeon VII apart.. I just don't think AMD are really catering to these users. Its quite clear at least to myself that Nvidia will offer the better cards by the end of the month and sadly AMD's whole line could do with a price cut to tempt people away from the green team.

On the CPU side, I really want to move to AMD because of their comittment to upgradability down the line but I just don't have the same faith in them in regards to their GPUs.
 
TheRealDeal said:
The 5700 if it can overclock may be a decent card. On paper stats the specs are not to far off the xt model but the clocks are way lower. If these clocks can be brought up to 5700xt levels i doubt it will be much slower just like Vega 56 to 64. I still think the pricing is to high on both Models but the super cards might just make these prices look decent if they come in at usual Nvidia rip off RRP.
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Wasn't there something about them locking the 5700 bios though? Will that artifiscially limit it?
 
aoaaron said:
The problem I have with AMD cards is if you are at the higher end of gaming (1440p ultrawide or 4k gaming), Radeon VII apart.. I just don't think AMD are really catering to these users.
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In fairness to AMD, how common are 4K screens amongst gamers? I only got mine last year, having previously been on 1080p since 1080p became a thing! :p
 
Zernath said:
In fairness to AMD, how common are 4K screens amongst gamers? I only got mine last year, having previously been on 1080p since 1080p became a thing! :p
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I dunno. I've been gaming on a 4k TV for the last 2 years. Maybe in regards to PC gaming, 4k screens' aren't super common but for console gamers, I think gaming on a 4k screen given the PS4 Pro and XBOX One X has gotten more and more popular.

You do raise an awesome point though, but then again, I did say the "higher end of gamers".

I think if you're at the lower end of PC gaming with higher refresh rate screens, then I agree.. any team is going to benefit you somewhat.
 
aoaaron said:
I dunno. I've been gaming on a 4k TV for the last 2 years. Maybe in regards to PC gaming, 4k screens' aren't super common but for console gamers, I think gaming on a 4k screen given the PS4 Pro and XBOX One X has gotten more and more popular.

You do raise an awesome point though, but then again, I did say the "higher end of gamers".

I think if you're at the lower end of PC gaming with higher refresh rate screens, then I agree.. any team is going to benefit you somewhat.
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I think AMD - with a few exceptions - have always targeted the lower end of the spectrum. Perhaps one day that will change, but I suspect if they are to make inroads on Nvidia, then they need to have a wide focus. Nvidia seem to be becoming the high end manufacturer, with decidedly high end prices! :D
 
Zernath said:
I think AMD - with a few exceptions - have always targeted the lower end of the spectrum. Perhaps one day that will change, but I suspect if they are to make inroads on Nvidia, then they need to have a wide focus. Nvidia seem to be becoming the high end manufacturer, with decidedly high end prices! :D
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Haha yes! The issue is I think beforehand being at the lower or higher end only affected FPS. So do we want 1440p 90fps or 1440p 144fps. Its not a big deal, at least to me.

However now the question is do you want to play at 1440p or do you want to play at ultrawide/4k... and sadly that is a bit of a big deal. I've also heard VR works better on Nvidia cards from some dedicated VR forums. Basically before I found high end vs low end just restricted the fluidity and ability to click ultra on the settings menu.

However given how tech has now progressed, its the difference between 4k, ultrawide and VR gaming (could be wrong on the VR aspect)... which sadly are quite big transformative deals.
 
i will work on some graphs tomorrow, i will also stick in the estimated PS5 Navi numbers that have been floating around as it will show what the 5700 is aiming for.

I am going to cut and paste some stuff here it does not get lost. All credit to Apisak from Twitter.

PS5 Navi Hardware ID: NAVI 10 LITE(13E9)
NAVI10LITE : GFX1000.
NAVI10 : GFX1010

Geekbench Scores (open CL):

5700 (Leaked): 274255
2070 Super (Leaked) : 270978
2060 Super (Leaked) : 248692
GeForce RTX 2070 EOL: 247075
AMD Radeon VII EOL: 207972
GeForce RTX 2060: 207819
Tesla P100-PCIE-12GB 206586
Vega 10 XT [Radeon RX Vega 64] 206325

In this bench, 2070S is 9% faster than the 2070 EOL. 5700 27% quicker in this bench than a Vega64.


5700 Geekbench:

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Vega64 VS 5700

Sobel
532530
23.5 VS 16.2 Gpixels/sec - 5700 is 36.7% slower than a Vega 64
Histogram Equalization
145521
4.55 VS 4.63 Gpixels/sec - 5700 is 1.74% faster than a Vega 64

SFFT
44751
111.6 VS 92.6 Gflops - 5700 is 18% slower than a Vega 64

Gaussian Blur
580421
10.2 VS 5.33 Gpixels/sec - 5700 is 62.7% slower than a Vega 64

Face Detection
32880
9.60 VS 16 Msubwindows/sec - 5700 is 50% faster than a Vega 64

RAW
1854381
18.0 VS 13.1 Gpixels/sec - 5700 is 35% slower than a Vega 64

Depth of Field
937143
2.72 VS 1.43 Gpixels/sec - 5700 is 62% slower than a Vega 64
 
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Besty said:
i will work on some graphs tomorrow, i will also stick in the estimated PS5 Navi numbers that have been floating around as it will show what the 5700 is aiming for.

I am going to cut and paste some stuff here it does not get lost. All credit to Apisak from Twitter.

PS5 Navi Hardware ID: NAVI 10 LITE(13E9)
NAVI10LITE : GFX1000.
NAVI10 : GFX1010

5700 Open CL score: 274255

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Watch the video above from 1:11:45. I think what he says suggests the Ps5 gpu won't be Navi 10 as in what we get in the PC market as it's next year. It's basically a question about why the Ps5 has Ray Tracing and the PC version doesn't. The way he says it makes me think the Ps5 gpu is different to what Navi will be in the PC space this year.
 
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What are peoples thoughts on Navi and it's pricing if it overclock well? Let's say the XT can push close to 2080?

Would you buy navi then? Am on the fence atm and waiting for full reviews before making my choice to sick or fold.
 
MyBrains said:
Not sure what to make of this clip with Scott Herkelman on the 5700.. seems sketchy lol
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What's sketchy?

Categorically states the 5700 will be overclockable, AIB partners are not restricted from offering overclockable versions with their own tools and designs and Wattman is available from the outset. Sounds like he had to correct himself from giving too much information and therefore restrict to what AMD are doing, rather than making blanket statements.
 
shankly1985 said:
What are peoples thoughts on Navi and it's pricing if it overclock well? Let's say the XT can push close to 2080?

Would you buy navi then? Am on the fence atm and waiting for full reviews before making my choice to sick or fold.
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Same here. Always prefer to go with the new technology if possible. The Coreteks had definitely got me more interested in RDNA. Sounds like this is the first step towards decent AMD GPUs again.

I may wait for AIB versions, should keep me going until big Navi and a new high refresh 1440p monitor.
 
Zernath said:
In fairness to AMD, how common are 4K screens amongst gamers? I only got mine last year, having previously been on 1080p since 1080p became a thing! :p
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Not very common.

But what people also fail to realize is that people with 4k screens spend more and upgrade more often.
Sure 60% of users on steam are on 1080p, but most of those users also haven't upgraded their PC in 5 or more years I bet.

Where, as a 4k owner - I usually upgrade my GPU every generation, so I'm giving Nvidia/AMD far more revenue than someone who only upgrades once every 5 years
 
Troezar said:
What I thought was interesting was then taking the discussion about crossfire "offline". What's that all about? More plans to make crossfire relevant again?
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Could pcie 4 allow fast enough data rates for a raytracing add on card ? Maybe that sort of approach from and, hence take it offline.
 
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