*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[Murphy]

I know AMD's marketing dept have screwed up in the past WRT GPUs but is it just me who thinks that telling them about the new GPUs 48 hours before the announcement may have been a mistake, i mean maybe if they were given more notice they would've had a few more things to talk about.

 

[StarShock]

Now that we got a part of the picture I wanna do some pie in the sky predictions.
First off just to cut this off, the 5070=4090 thing is largely nonsense, in their own performance slides they include a couple games without dlss4 frame gen and vs the 4070 looks to be about 20-25% increases, Putting it a little above the 4070 super and well below the 4070ti. And the rest of the stack looks like similar uplift over last gen.

So my guess is the 9070xt will trade blows with the 5070ti, ahead in a few games, behind in others overall performance about 5% difference. And will be priced at $600. The 9070 will be a little behind but still beat the 5070 across the board and be $500.
And some of the community will endlessly complain that AMD didn't do enough to undercut nvidia and others will clear on the 5070 for being good value.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

My guess is they release something that competes with the 4070 Super for $550 and wonder why it doesn't sell. Hell, it's AMD, let's make make it $600.

 

[uscool]

So much unknowns

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Considering the 5070 is 499 these AMD cards will be DOA. If even a penny above 400 sadly. I am an AMD fan boy it hurts to admit....

£539.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

£539.

Come on, that's hardly realistic.
£539.99

 

[Troezar]

I reckon they'll be priced initially to sell old stock first

 

[humbug]

What we wanted was RDNA 4, what we got was AI, AI, AI, AI, some AI, and AI.

Can AMD talk about something other what their investors want to hear for 5 out of 45 minutes?

 

[humbug]

"Thanks Steve"

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

I reckon they'll be priced initially to sell old stock first

Will work wonders to sell their competitors cards.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I reckon they'll be priced initially to sell old stock first

Meanwhile Nvidia will go full steam ahead with the RTX5000 series launch. Also AMD implied FSR4 won't work on RDNA3.

AMD repeatedly delays new cards to sell the overstock of their old ones,which didn't sell because they launched them too late and too expensive. You can see that with the RX7700XT/RX7800XT which appeared months after the RTX4060TI/RTX4070.

 

[uscool]

AMD hasn't a clue how to present these cards need to see what Nvidia do first

 

[humbug]

AMD hasn't a clue how to present these cards need to see what Nvidia do first

You know what that's it... you hit the nail on the head, can't do anything before Jenson shows his hand.....

 

[kieran_read]

You know what that's it... you hit the nail on the head, can't do anything before Jenson shows his hand.....

I wonder how much they are panicking now?

I bet they thought (I know I did) that they would release at higher prices than the last gen and instead came in lower.

 

[faceman123]

AMD hasn't a clue how to present these cards need to see what Nvidia do first

This. basically needs to be a new RX480 launch - £300 looks like meat is back on the menu boys

 

[Hostile_18]

How about we cut the drama a bit and just make a decision once the card is here based on its actual performance and price unless better options are available beforehand? AMD's PR has for the most part always been weird and hair loss inducing, that ain't new.

They didn't even turn up to their own event that they themselves were teasing. I know you want to hope for the best, but when *everything* is pointing one way, and the competition smashed it.... sometimes it is safe to read between the lines. There is only so many chances and benefits of the doubt we can give them, before the onus is on us.

Amd will still have their console manufacturer deals and of course other areas such as cpus, but stand alone gpu wise I expect significant decline from even what they have now.

 

[humbug]

I wonder how much they are panicking now?

I bet they thought (I know I did) that they would release at higher prices than the last gen and instead came in lower.

Its doesn't matter anyway, after waiting 9 month to launch the 7800 XT Nvidia dropped the price of the 4070 from $599 to $549 the moment they knew the 7800 XT price, Nvidia are never going to not react to anything AMD do, if Nvidia launch the 5070 at $649 and AMD do the 9070 XT for $549 the 5070 will be reduced to $599 the next day.

You're never going to win silly games, just launch it when its ready and at a good price, if it doesn't sell then it never will, you already know this, suck that up and go from there.

 

[t2na]

I really found that entire AMD presentation just really weird, it just felt very slapdash. I think they spent 40% of the time just mentioning 'AI' every chance they got.

It would have been fantastic to hear about FSR 4, what work they've done with PlayStation and the combined 'Amethyst' collaboration to improve AI based upscaling.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

You know what that's it... you hit the nail on the head, can't do anything before Jenson shows his hand.....

Their whole strategy of delaying all their launches until Nvidia shows the products is a losing strategy. Nvidia is pricing against the own products with maybe a slight adjustment if AMD has something competitive and it works wonders for them. They are not worried when AMD releases their cards - the delay in GDDR7 production was why Nvidia probably didn't launch the RTX5000 series late last year.

A 7900XT is around 30% faster than a RX7800XT at qHD according to TPU. The RX6700XT was 32% faster than an RX5700XT. The RX7800XT was 47% faster than an RX6700XT. The RX9070XT would have been the RX8700XT,so was always a sub £480 card.

There is nothing special about the performance jump of the RX9070XT over the RX7800XT,going by the slide AMD showed to reviewers. Maybe they are holding back more performance for launch? But why try and do all this?

So instead of trying to play a failed game of "Jebaiting" Nvidia,they should have launched this in October/November at £450 and be done with it. All the reviews would have been against the RTX4000 series and Nvidia would have had to drop the price of the RTX4070TI massively.

Its doesn't matter anyway, after waiting 9 month to launch the 7800 XT Nvidia dropped the price of the 4070 from $599 to $549 the moment they knew the 7800 XT price, Nvidia are never going to not react to anything AMD do, if Nvidia launch the 5070 at $649 and AMD do the 9070 XT for $549 the 5070 will be reduced to $599 the next day.

You're never going to win silly games, just launch it when its ready and at a good price, if it doesn't sell then it never will, you already know this, suck that up and go from there.

AMD delayed the RX7700XT/RX7800XT 3 to 4 months after the RTX4060TI/RTX4070. The street price of the RTX4070 had dropped by then too. Even though it was better value,by then it was too late. Stock was also horrible - some large UK retailers didn't have a lot of stock for months.

 

[kieran_read]

Its doesn't matter anyway, after waiting 9 month to launch the 7800 XT Nvidia dropped the price of the 4070 from $599 to $549 the moment they knew the 7800 XT price, Nvidia are never going to not react to anything AMD do, if Nvidia launch the 5070 at $649 and AMD do the 9070 XT for $549 the 5070 will be reduced to $599 the next day.

You're never going to win silly games, just launch it when its ready and at a good price, if it doesn't sell then it never will, you already know this, suck that up and go from there.

Yeh in don't get what they're thinking sometimes.

I'll be getting a 5080 this gen, my 1080ti can finally take a nap.