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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

Latest hype train rumour:

Around an RTX4070TI Super/RTX4080 in Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth Wukong.
If this is true and they price it right, I'm getting one
 
We will see how the price is - hopefully AMD won't try another RX7900XT and push the price up. If they can have the reference models starting around the £480ish RX7800XT launch price(with smaller and more compact coolers) with AIB models between £500 to £600,that might be OK. Also,that would mean the RX9070 non-XT would be closer to £400.
 
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This is looking promising. Pre-release drivers and benchmarked on nvidia optimised games, showing excellent performance and not forgetting the improvements in FSR4.

Please AMD, don’t screw up the price.
 
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We will see how the price is - hopefully AMD won't try another RX7900XT and push the price up. If they can have the reference models starting around the £480ish RX7800XT launch price(with smaller and more compact coolers) with AIB models between £500 to £600,that might be OK. Also,that would mean the RX9070 non-XT would be closer to £400.

Good points. The non XT could be an absolute price/perf killer. It could almost match 5070 for a lot less money and with 4GB more VRAM. I don’t think the faster GDDR7 will make a difference and neither will special sauce compression routines.

The only caveat is how the idiots at AMD price them. Let’s hope they didn’t hold fire on their announcement because they got wind they are more competitive than they thought they would be.

I still think under $650 is practically guaranteed because of the 5070Ti being almost like a sanity check for AMD.

I’m sorry but the 5070 at $550 and 12GB in 2025 is aimed at idiots. I can’t be nice about that GPU at all.
 
Good points. The non XT could be an absolute price/perf killer. It could almost match 5070 for a lot less money and with 4GB more VRAM. I don’t think the faster GDDR7 will make a difference and neither will special sauce compression routines.

The only caveat is how the idiots at AMD price them. Let’s hope they didn’t hold fire on their announcement because they got wind they are more competitive than they thought they would be.

I still think under $650 is practically guaranteed because of the 5070Ti being almost like a sanity check for AMD.

I’m sorry but the 5070 at $550 and 12GB in 2025 is aimed at idiots. I can’t be nice about that GPU at all.
One thing that seems to be overlooked that Vex pointed out, is that there have been leadership changes at AMD since the 7000 series, so it's not unreasonable to be hopeful about competitive pricing. I think they held fire to get it right first time.

The 5070 is a real turd. It's a clear indication that Nvidia have shifted every card in the stack down a tier apart from the 5090, unlike last gen with just gimping the 4080 (which backfired). It might outperform the B580, but it's priced 220% higher.
 
If FSR4 is an improvement as well, then at $500 or even $600 for the OC AIB models, that is a win.

Well the tuber channels have parroted for so long that dlss is the best, what are they going to talk about in 2025? :)

The ratchet and clank coverage of the new offering seems to have really cleaned up the quality and this will only improve with more revisions. AMD could really kill it offering some game codes or bundles but lets see how they price this first.

I don’t think the faster GDDR7 will make a difference and neither will special sauce compression routines.

Hey.. hey! Don't ruin my sauce hopes.
 
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The 5070 is a real turd. It's a clear indication that Nvidia have shifted every card in the stack down a tier apart from the 5090, unlike last gen with just gimping the 4080 (which backfired). It might outperform the B580, but it's priced 220% higher.

This does seem to be the case, so on the face of it the “price cuts” from Nvidia are nothing of the sort. They are arguably stealth price rises, because the 5080 at $1000 is $200 more expensive than the 4070Ti MSRP.

90 level is now $2000
80 series GPU is now gone
70Ti level is now $1000 and called 80
60Ti level is now $750 and called 70Ti
60 level is now $550 and called 70
 
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Yes and last gen they did no price cuts (actually increased) but did try shifting the stack down hoping nobody would notice.
 
Let’s not get hyped. The performance seems right around where rumours have been putting it for months. The biggest problem for AMD is AMD. Plenty of opportunities for them to mess it up.

This fits AMD GPU division to a tee.

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
 
If it's around the £600 mark and is punching 4070ti/ ti super levels of performance then it would seem like a good deal to me.

Everyone is saying £500 so I'm going to expect £600 :p still makes it £100 - £150 cheaper for current gen card.
 
If it's around the £600 mark and is punching 4070ti/ ti super levels of performance then it would seem like a good deal to me.

Everyone is saying £500 so I'm going to expect £600
:p
still makes it £100 - £150 cheaper for current gen card.

4070Ti performance doesn't seem to be that great since the 5070 is expected to be around 15% faster than the 4070Ti. AMD needs to be closer to the 4080S if they really want to make an impact. Most people will opt for Nvidia if the 9070XT is only trading blows with a 5070.
 
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4070Ti performance doesn't seem to be that great since the 5070 should be at least that level or maybe a bit faster. AMD needs to be closer to the 4080S if they really want to make an impact. Most people will opt for Nvidia if the 9070XT is only trading blows with a 5070.

Yes but we are all assuming Nvidia will be having a 20% + performance increase across the stack. (I expect it too tbh) but it's the one performance figure that they have skipped on, it could end up being a 3060ti vs 4060ti situation all over again.

I think the danger is though, a lot of people are expecting a 5070ti killer at 5070 prices, I sort of expect something a little better than the 5070.

Reviews can't come quicker tbh!
 
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I would say nvidia will squeeze a little more out of it over time through drivers, the small uplift this gen will put them on a little pressure there.

Improvements over time with drivers? Sure you aren't talking about AMD FineWineTM? :cry:

Also, I've been trying to figure out the rough power draw/power efficiency on these new cards (i.e. would one need to upgrade their PSU to run one of these?).
We saw from CES that 9070 XT has either 2x8 pin on the Powercolour Reaper or 3x8 pin on the Powercolour Red Devil.

7900XT using 2x8pin pulls close to the TDP of 315W on average (according to KitGuruTech's review).
Meanwhile the 7900XTX using 3x8pin pulls close to its 355W TDP on average (also according to that same review).

AIB cards probably draw more power and we've seen from CES that the AIB cards for 9070 XT can be either 2 or 3 8-pin power connectors.
Supposedly with 2x8 pin, the max possible power draw should be ~375W and for 3x8 pin max possible power draw should be ~525W.
So I'm guessing 9070 XT between a 7900XT and a 7900XTX for power draw then? Especially as the Red Devil 7900XT supposedly only uses 2x8 pin power.
Meanwhile it looks like Nvidia aren't fussing as much with power efficiency this time with 5000 series.

I'd prefer a 2-slot card with 2x8 pin to be able to run on a 750W PSU. But I guess good reviews will show power draw and also power spikes to know how a PSU can handle such GPUs.
 
4070Ti performance doesn't seem to be that great since the 5070 is expected to be around 15% faster than the 4070Ti. AMD needs to be closer to the 4080S if they really want to make an impact. Most people will opt for Nvidia if the 9070XT is only trading blows with a 5070.
4070ti Super in Cyberpunk with ray tracing, which was equal to a 3080 on the 7900xtx. Cyberpunk is worst case scenario for AMD. If it equals the 4070ti Super in that, then the other RT gains will be monumental and I can see it being very similar to the 5070ti in raster, perhaps slightly faster.

If the 9070xt can pull that off for under £600, I'm game. In fact if an AIB 5070ti is £800, I'm down for anything under £700.
 
4070Ti performance doesn't seem to be that great since the 5070 is expected to be around 15% faster than the 4070Ti. AMD needs to be closer to the 4080S if they really want to make an impact. Most people will opt for Nvidia if the 9070XT is only trading blows with a 5070.

15% faster than a 4070Ti is about 5% slower 4080 non super speeds. The 5070 is rumoured to be around 4070Ti levels or just a touch faster (about 20% - 30% faster than a 4070).

In short the rumours for the 5070 do not look good so far.

 
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