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Waiting for Nvidia is exactly what they are doing, i do believe that they wanted to price $600 to £700 and then Nvidia dropped the 5070 for $550, which isn't a bad price in the context of what Nvidia GPU's cost now, tho it also depends on performance.

This present a compounding problem form their point of view, they still have RX 7000 series stock which they will now also have to reduce by more than they perhaps intended, if they now have to reduce the 9070 XT to $550 with the 9070 to $450 then the 7900 XT will have to be $400 if not $350 with the 7800 XT less and the 7700 XT less again.... or they will end up as stock written off, AMD have had to do that so many times i think it gives them nightmares.

That $100 reduction in price they now have to make is a very serious kick in the guts for them and now they are running around like their hair is on fire.

Nvidia will do whatever it takes to keep that 90% market share, or even reduce AMD's share by more, they are not going to give you a break, there is nothing you can do about that, AMD, Nvidia can easily afford to play these games, you can't, go from there.... i have said this before, i will say it again, just do the best that you can do and put it on the market when its ready and the most attractive price you can, if people like it they will buy it, if they don't you did your best and you need to think about your future in this space.

The absolute worst thing you can do is worry too much about Nvidia, try to guess what they are going to do and deluding yourselves that you can in some way catch them off guard, even if by some miracle you do catch them off guard Nvidia have no problem with repricing their products to deny you that win the very next day, you can't win.
Right now you're allowing Nvidia to dictate everything you do and they are making you look like fools, stop it.
 
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Sorry for snipping your post but it is now clear AMD were never targeting the 7700 XT and 7800 XT for pricing. They were planning to launch these 7700 XT and 7800 XT replacements at higher tier prices.

They were hoping Nvidia would up their prices and then undercut them by the usual sub 10% and assume it was a win.

Nvidia price the 70 series at $650 to $850. AMD come in at $600 to $800 and think “yay aren’t we awesome” before wondering why everyone points at them and laughs.

Now they are suddenly $100 to $150 overpriced and have now no room to manoeuvre and wondering how to respond.

I think if the 9070 XT was meant to be $650, the 9070 $550, then the 9060 XT (rebranded 7800 XT) $450, maybe a rebranded 7700 XT for $350.

I think now the most they can price the 9070 XT (assuming around 5070 Ti) is $550, 9070 $450, 9060 XT $350, some or all of those prices might be $20 or so more or less but you get my point.
 
Exactly and AMD sales share is disintegrating:
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The cards are not selling looking at objective numbers. Lot of people cherry pick numbers from some stores,but ignore JPR who are showing AMD sales share overall is collapsing. It's also seen in their own financials,where they are talking about soft demand for graphics products. Nvidia gaming revenue is going up as is share.

AMD share has gone from 24% 3 years ago to 10% late last year.

And i don't think there is anything they can realistically do about that.
 
They could if they stopped trying to play this 4D Chess jebait stuff and release stuff properly. Even with the RX7000 series,Nvidia gave them a huge chance with the horrendously overpriced RTX4070 which was a joke.

What did AMD do? Wait to launch the RX7800XT four months later,which by the street price of the RTX4070 had dropped and it was easier to get. RX7800XT availability was patchy for a month or two. The same goes with the RX7900XT series. Instead of launching it as an RX7800/RX7800XT at a reasonable price,they looked at the RTX4080 12GB and thought we could do the same. Then Nvidia trolled them by relaunching it as the overpriced RTX4070TI 12GB for $50 less.
Then you had the tepid RX7600 8GB which was only slightly cheaper than an RTX4060.

By the time last year they had dropped prices it was too late. If people on this forum can see how bad this is,then the average buyer is going to care even less. AMD then has to deep discount cards,which they would have needed to do if they launched their products properly.



They were awesome cards - some were as cheap as £250!

I waited quite a long time for the 7800 XT and yes the moment they launched it Nvidia relaunched the 4070, 4070 Ti and 4080 as supers dropping the price of the vanilla 4070 by $50, they did this to pee on AMD's camp fire....

So what was it all for? They waited for the 4070 before launching the 7800 XT, they made those of us wanting it wait many months, once Nvidia launched the 4070 at $600 they responded a few weeks later at $500 and with in days Nvidia did that ^^^ so all they achieved was to frustrate people by making them wait, Nvidia made sure they won as they always will.

Now AMD are doing exactly the same thing again expecting a different outcome.
 
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Trump made a whole bunch of mad speeches yesterday and he mentioned VAT, calling it a tariff (he's right BTW, it is) he said it was unfair.
 
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VAT is not a tariff and if you think it is you are wrong and so is Trump.

Its a Tax on product, including imported products, which is by far the majority of products consumed, in whatever way the UK government justify it it has the same effect and when you're talking about trading partners boiling it down to that is IMO fair, if the government likes it or not.
 
The reason why i think this matters is IMO this country over spends, has done for a long time and it never thinks the public are taxed enough to pay for that over spend which only ever gets worse.

VAT is one of those things that the UK government will inevitably at some point see to gain more tax revenue from, anything outside of basic needs has VAT on it, the UK's mindset is; well luxuries are luxuries, you don't need them for life so you can give us some money every time you treat yourself.
I think that is dystopian and it actually is a regressive tax.

If you're paying £600 for a GPU £100 of it is not for the product, its for Mrs Reeves to spend on policing X or some other BS, with Trump's disapproving eye on VAT it might make her think twice about jacking VAT up under the threat of 25% tariffs on Jaguar cars.
 
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The RX7800XT was really the RX7700XT. Die sizes are very similar.

The RX7900XTX was an RX7800XT and the RX7900XT was the RX7800. The RTX4070 was a worse shrinkflation. It used the die of a 60 series card but was priced two levels up.

AMD pushed the tiers up one level. Nvidia two.

Plus even if you ignore the naming - the RX7800XT was £480 at launch and is now below £450.

Having an RX9070 which is around 30% faster at £600,would mean the RX7800XT replacement would be gimped a lot.Either a 12GB card at the price of an RX7800XT or a 128 bit Navi 44 with doubled VRAM.

The RX9060XT would be £450+ and the RX9060 over £300 which means AMD,like Nvidia will have pushed their entry level cards well over £300! Where are the sub £300 cards then?

Gamers need to stop entertaining all this relative pricing - it's starting to wreck the market for a lot of us mainstream gamers.

Just look what has happened to Samsung and Apple smartphone pricing? It's gone insane. A basic S25 is over £800 on offer,and it's pushed up A series pricing to where the S series used to be.

At least the 7800 XT was priced like a 6700 XT.
 
Slightly higher,but at least it was a decent uplift over the previous generation.But honestly with JHH thinking gamers have $10000 PCs,I think AMD must be thinking the same then. They are totally out of touch of what most gamers actually buy - just look on Steam. Most cards are under £500.

All these companies are doing is finding ways to shrinkflate and push pricing up. Then find new ways to lock new features out of older generations. It's leading to stagnation in mainstream systems. These same systems are now barely better than price comparable consoles! A PS5 PRO is overpriced at £700,but most £600 to £700 pre-built systems use an RTX4060 or RX7600 at around that price. Go back a few years ago,such a system would outclass a console in most ways.

I do think AMD / Nvidia's costs have also gone up but i agree with you, everyone is trying to push prices up, get us used paying more for everything, this includes AMD.
 
Two months for a pre-order. So end of March pre-order then probably April for actual stock.

That is assuming AMD doesn't try another RX7900XT and then you need to wait a few months for the price to fall to what it should be.

All those E-PEEN coolers,3 x PCI-E power connectors and ARGB doesn't pay for itself,don't you know?

I'm seeing a number of tech jurnoes making excuses for this now, it being that putting these out before AMD know all about the competing cards would be foolish.

1, they did this with the last generation and that didn't work out well for them.
2, you would only do this if you're trying to maximise the price against the competition instead of just putting forward your best deal.

If what they are doing is wanting to make sure the hardware, the drivers and FSR 4 are as polished as can reasonably be then i get it, but they clearly intended to launch before the 5070 / Ti and very suddenly slammed the breaks on, so i don't buy this argument, i think AMD wanted to charge more, i think they thought the 5070 was going to be at least $600, possibly more and immediately realised their GPU was going to cost the same or more, they though they knew what was going on and quickly learned they didn't, so now they want to know what they are actually up against before deciding on their own products.
 
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I will admit, I did (until recently) think of you as one of the red team die-hards.

I see on Twitter/X there are posts saying that AMD cards will be live for preorder in March. If there's already stock at retailers why will it be preorders?

I will admit that I'm getting increasingly unhyped for both Nvidia and AMD launches. 12GB should probably be reserved for the lowest tier of cards at this point, I'm not even thrilled by the prospect of 16GB, which seems to be all that's on offer outside of the 5090.

Chill with these labels, its immature, people with a bit of wisdom about them don't think like this.
 
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Yeah I think that's where the nuance lies in this gen for AMD. RT performance really let the 7000 series down, so balancing that side of things out would make this gen a more rounded option. It's probably another factor in why they decided to only target mid-range as well.

Depends on which one, the 7800 XT isn't bad, at worst its about equal to a 4060 Ti, the 16GB version of which was the same price and lets face it if you are using RT its the one you need, overall its 10% ahead of the 3070 Ti, the 4070 is 15% ahead.

Doom Eternal Ultra / Ultra RT 4K 100Hz

Metro Exodus 1440P all highest settings.

For most RT games its actually very usable, the problem is higher end RX 7000 series GPU's aren't hugely faster with RT and that for the price difference becomes a problem. I think this one at least for where it is in the range is absolutely fine.



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Depends on how that is measured, on the GPU hierarchy the 4070 is in the lower levels but i think anything that costs £500 to £600 is in the high end. Ok Its right, the 4070 is in the lower hierarchy but i don't like the idea of normalising £500+ being the cost of a lower tier GPU.

Imagine that for CPU's.
 
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We do have a habit of normalising it because Nvidia have "added value features" the tech press have been doing this for many years at this point and with it we are where we are.

Again, imagine a Ryzen 9600X costing £539.99.
 
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I think AMD smell blood in the water here. The dust is starting to settle and the 50 series performance uplift is looking pathetic (5090 aside, which of course they aren't competing with) and I reckon we can expect the 9070XT to be at the higher end of price expectations.

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Remember when Intel had a similar market domination in the CPU space? same thing, small incremental performance upgrades with incremental hikes in price.
 
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retailer who has 9070XT and 9070 cards in stock provides some more information on the situation

He says there is a lot of uncertainty for him as these GPUs were originally supposed to go on sale on January 23rd.

He also reveals the original prices: the 9070XT had an MSRP of $899 and $749 for the 9070 non XT. He does not yet know what the new prices will be, which creates more uncertainty as to what happens next, I assume he's already paid for his stock.

From the prices alone you can see why AMD could not announce this at CES. $899 for the 9070XT is brutal, the 5070ti at $749 completely ruined it


$900? what so its 30% faster than the 7900 XTX is it????????
 
If the 9070 XT is 7900 XT <> 7900 XTX then the 9070 is 7900 GRE, or RTX 5070, with the 9070 at $750 what did AMD think Nvidia wanted to charge for the RTX 5070? Not the 5070 Ti, the RTX 5070, $900?

If that's so AMD really have lost the plot.
 
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