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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The RTX5070 will probably be close to an RTX4070TI at £540 and the FE coolers are decent. The RX9070 probably will be barely faster in rasterised,slower in RT and with worse software support for certain features. AMD has to be cheaper otherwise their share will be 5% at the rate it's going. Look at some of the figures earlier in the thread,the RX9070 looks around 25% faster overall compared to an RX7800XT.

If an RX7800XT can be 50% faster than an RX6700XT and the RX6700XT 33% faster than an RX5700XT,then an RX9070 non-XT can't be over £500. If anything the RX9070XT is really the true RX7800XT replacement.

I also couldn't give two ***** about what Nvidia is doing - AMD is also competing against it's own products too.
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I'm not making any predictions CAT i'm trying to make a point :) AMD can reduce the price to the point of losing money on every GPU and gain marketshare, what they can't ever do is put the price back up again to stop the bleeding.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
They launched the RX7800XT at £480. So make a card 30% faster at around that price(around an RX7900XT) and make enough stock and it will sell. Nvidia makes more cards anyway,so will sell more.

They should have launched it last year - instead they wait for Nvidia to check pricing. This is a failing strategy.
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AMD made 2.6% profit to Nvidia's 74.6%, IDK if you're deliberately missing my point now or what? None of this is relevant to my point and that is there are limits to what AMD can do and people need to start recognising that making Nvidia's pricing structure AMD's problem has its limits.

melmac said:
ATI didn't go bust. Why do you persist in posting this same thing in every AMD discussion, despite several people telling you that this is wrong.

It's only when AMD took over that things went wrong.
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ATI were heavily in debt, they had no money and no new products, what are you trying to say with these semantics? That ATI were doing just fine?
 
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ICDP said:
You absolutely are making predictions. You are erroneously predicting that AMD would lose money on every GPU sold and if they released closer to the 7800 XT MSRP of $499.

They (the 9070 XT) were designed and built to a specification that was aimed at that very price point. Therefore they would NOT be losing money on each GPU sold.

The 9070 was designed as a 7700 XT replacement for the $450 price point.
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No, i'm talking in hypotheticals, how is this not obvious to you given no one knows the price of these GPU's?
 
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ICDP said:
Their GPU division made crap profits because they made decent products 7 months late, or tried to price far too high. The market decided too little too late and too expensive.

They didn’t make crap profits because they weren’t selling at high enough margins. They made crap profits because their market share dropped another ~10%.
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Profit margin is the difference between how much it costs to sell the product and the sale amount.
 
ICDP said:
Because it’s not a hypothetical to understand what tier and price point these GPUs were aimed at. Therefore it’s absolutely accurate to conclude they would not make a loss if they stick to those price points.
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An assumption doubled down on with another assumption.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Most of that is down to low console margins and Pandemic overproduction of the RX6000 series. Nvidia had over a billion USD to get rid off,but unlike AMD have good system integrator relations. Whose fault is that? AMD.
They too could build better system integrator support,but clearly haven't for their own dGPUs.

Also,why should an end user care about profit margins? If someone shops at B and M Bargains,do they care that Harvey Nichols makes more margins? AMD CPUs were behind Intel,so for years had to cheaper. Only when AMD matched or beat Intel could they charge as much or more. No different here.

AMD,overall,makes worse cards than Nvidia. When it comes to even simple things like upscaling,their support is much worse because they spend less money.

In the end,as a user AMD have to offer good value for money. Nvidia are a market leader who have spent 10x the amount AMD has spent in R and D,etc to get there. They spent billions of USD on software and pushing it into games.

If AMD wants to charge Nvidia money,they have to put that level of money into their graphics division.

If they CBA,then they are the budget option and have to charge less. As much as AMD is not a charity,neither are consumers.
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No, You know as well as i do console sales fell off a cliff for that quarter.
 
Sumanji said:
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Lost it :cry:
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Well there we have it, 3 months after Nvidia when no one cares....
 
RavenXXX2 said:
OMG

I'M DONE with AMD GPUs

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AMD confirms Radeon RX 9070 series launching in March - VideoCardz.com

Radeon RX 9070 will launch in March Not in January, not in February but March. AMD has finally provided an update. The company, through David McAfee (VP & GM of Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics), confirmed today that the new Radeon series will be released in March. This puts an end to speculation...
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Yeah, there are people who do want to support them and AMD make them wait 3 months, if AMD's strategy is 0% marketshare they are working hard at it.....
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
HUB confirmed AMD is pricing based on Nvidia:

So basically AMD can't just give us 30% to 40% extra performance over a £480 RX7800XT then? How does that need Nvidia for them to make a decision.

So expect if the RTX5070 is rubbish,the price to be jacked up,or if it is good the price to lower.
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Why do AMD need to wait 3 months after Nvidia launch to decide pricing? this doesn't make any sense.
 
Grim5 said:
This is weird, retailers have already received 9070XT stock and now AMD adds a two month delay? What for!?
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They are afraid they might sell a GPU or two if they release them before people have had plenty of time to get bored of waiting and just buy something from Nvidia.
 
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GhostDog1981 said:
Very short term thinking tho- they want to disrupt the market, gain market share and then come back for the big time in a year- not sure they’re up to anything at the minute.
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Honestly if i was waiting for a 9700 XT i would just buy the 5070, this just feels like AMD are more concerned with old stock than they are with getting new products out in the hopes of turning it around and i can't be bothered with people who have no sense of self preservation or urgency.
 
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uscool said:
Why 5070 with it's 12gb , when the leaks suggest the AMD overall are looking really good over the gimped 5070 , I rather wait few months then be stuck with the 5070 for for years ?
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I'll make do, even considering AMD these days is a never ending patience effort and its becoming hard work, easier life joining those who already don't consider them even existing.
 
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GoogalyMoogaly said:
I mean Nvidia are releasing the 5070/5070Ti sometime in February right? So no more than 2 months after that, potentially only a few days (if they know the release dates of the 5070s).
But given the 5080 and 5090 aren't expected until the end of January, even if AMD released at the end of March that's only 2 months, worst case scenario.


So with this announced "date", basically the message this sends to me is that:
if you're in team green and were always going to be team green, AMD don't care about you, you weren't the target audience.
if you're on the fence and don't know which way to go but need a card ASAP, AMD don't want your business.
if you're on the fence but won't be buying straight away, AMD got you.
if you were always going to buy AMD no matter what, shut up, AMD will get to you when they're good and ready and you'll still love them regardless.
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They should get ahead of Nvidia and take advantage of them not having a product in the fight. But no..... if we do that we can't ask our customers to be patient for 262'nd time.
 
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Octoplex7 said:
They've definitiely lost a lot of credit with this one. It's getting more and more difficult to 'like' these corporations. Let alone save oneself for them as if they are some faithful fiancee off fighting in a war...
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Yes, it is getting more and more difficult to try and be understanding with AMD, they keep disappointing over and over...
 
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