*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[ICDP]

goods Tariffs are based on production country of origin not headquarters

I know, that’s my point.

 

[adidan]

Why is Intel's naming so crap lol
I didn't even know Intel were doing anything higher than the A580 this time around

16Gb cards due in 2025 was the last I read, no clear info as to when or what it is exactly. Maybe AMD know.

 

[FredFlint]

Maybe a hardware/driver problem needs to be fixed before release. I don't know of any other reason for a 2 month delay when the stores already have them.

 

[greatash]

Great for who? AMD need to make profit. They can't afford to loose £200 per GPU.

Well then they'll have to match Nvidias software stack and RT performance if they want the same money for it.

 

[Phixsator]

Leave me out of this!!

Afraid of getting AMD germs?

 

[humbug]

Sorry for snipping your post but it is now clear AMD were never targeting the 7700 XT and 7800 XT for pricing. They were planning to launch these 7700 XT and 7800 XT replacements at higher tier prices.

They were hoping Nvidia would up their prices and then undercut them by the usual sub 10% and assume it was a win.

Nvidia price the 70 series at $650 to $850. AMD come in at $600 to $800 and think “yay aren’t we awesome” before wondering why everyone points at them and laughs.

Now they are suddenly $100 to $150 overpriced and have now no room to manoeuvre and wondering how to respond.

I think if the 9070 XT was meant to be $650, the 9070 $550, then the 9060 XT (rebranded 7800 XT) $450, maybe a rebranded 7700 XT for $350.

I think now the most they can price the 9070 XT (assuming around 5070 Ti) is $550, 9070 $450, 9060 XT $350, some or all of those prices might be $20 or so more or less but you get my point.

 

[mrk]

Afraid of getting AMD germs?

Hiding behind ray reconstitution

 

[Sumanji]

They kept on delaying the RX7800XT and RX7700XT and nobody bought them in the end.

Do you have a source for that, buddy? Here's one I found that seems to contradict your assertion

In the markets they sell they have way too much unsold inventory...

Still waiting on a source for this as well, please

 

[Alan1969]

Maybe a hardware/driver problem needs to be fixed before release. I don't know of any other reason for a 2 month delay when the stores already have them.

as mentioned before perhaps something to do with FSR4 not being ready?

 

[Gerard]

as mentioned before perhaps something to do with FSR4 not being ready?

It's a possibility as they said something along the lines of it being a work in progress when it was shown to the techpress.

 

[FredFlint]

as mentioned before perhaps something to do with FSR4 not being ready?

If thats the case, performance must look bad without it. I have never used FSR so don't look at the review data for it. I play at 1200p(60Hz) so its mostly not needed.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Waiting for Nvidia is exactly what they are doing, i do believe that they wanted to price $600 to £700 and then Nvidia dropped the 5070 for $550, which isn't a bad price in the context of what Nvidia GPU's cost now, tho it also depends on performance.

This present a compounding problem form their point of view, they still have RX 7000 series stock which they will now also have to reduce by more than they perhaps intended, if they now have to reduce the 9070 XT to $550 with the 9070 to $450 then the 7900 XT will have to be $400 if not $350 with the 7800 XT less and the 7700 XT less again.... or they will end up as stock written off, AMD have had to do that so many times i think it gives them nightmares.

That $100 reduction in price they now have to make is a very serious kick in the guts for them and now they are running around like their hair is on fire.

Nvidia will do whatever it takes to keep that 90% market share, or even reduce AMD's share by more, they are not going to give you a break, there is nothing you can do about that, AMD, Nvidia can easily afford to play these games, you can't, go from there.... i have said this before, i will say it again, just do the best that you can do and put it on the market when its ready and the most attractive price you can, if people like it they will buy it, if they don't you did your best and you need to think about your future in this space.

The absolute worst thing you can do is worry too much about Nvidia, try to guess what they are going to do and deluding yourselves that you can in some way catch them off guard, even if by some miracle you do catch them off guard Nvidia have no problem with repricing their products to deny you that win the very next day, you can't win.
Right now you're allowing Nvidia to dictate everything you do and they are making you look like fools, stop it.

Exactly and AMD sales share is disintegrating:

The cards are not selling looking at objective numbers. Lot of people cherry pick numbers from some stores,but ignore JPR who are showing AMD sales share overall is collapsing. It's also seen in their own financials,where they are talking about soft demand for graphics products. Nvidia gaming revenue is going up as is share.

The RX7000 series overall was a disaster. AMD share has gone from 24% 3 years ago to 10% late last year.

 

[Murphy]

Maybe a hardware/driver problem needs to be fixed before release. I don't know of any other reason for a 2 month delay when the stores already have them.

My guess is money.

They're waiting to see how the 5070 performs so they can price the 9070 XT accordingly.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

My guess is money.

They're waiting to see how the 5070 performs so they can price the 9070 XT accordingly.

But according to all the experts here,AMD sales are fine and so is their share.

Delaying launches and pricing close to Nvidia definitely has not made their share collapse by 60% in three years.

It's all due to that nefarious Nvidia and all their shills in the media for sure! Never the fault of AMD!

 

[humbug]

Exactly and AMD sales share is disintegrating:

The cards are not selling looking at objective numbers. Lot of people cherry pick numbers from some stores,but ignore JPR who are showing AMD sales share overall is collapsing. It's also seen in their own financials,where they are talking about soft demand for graphics products. Nvidia gaming revenue is going up as is share.

AMD share has gone from 24% 3 years ago to 10% late last year.

And i don't think there is anything they can realistically do about that.

 

[Alan1969]

If thats the case, performance must look bad without it. I have never used FSR so don't look at the review data for it. I play at 1200p(60Hz) so its mostly not needed.

It probably just looks bad against the fake Nvidia frames where they show going from 40FPS to >200FPS. My current 5700XT and 6800XT are mostly fine at 1440 - it is just my son plays fast on Space Marine 2 which is why I would like a little more FPS (so 9070 should be fine).

 

[humbug]

I think they can stop the bleeding if they just do the best that they can and stop trying to play games that make them look idiotic, as i said, but the chances of them improving those number are very slim to none existent.

 

[freebooter]

My 5700 lives to game another day (few weeks)

 

[Sumanji]

Exactly and AMD sales share is disintegrating:
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The cards are not selling looking at objective numbers. Lot of people cherry pick numbers from some stores,but ignore JPR who are showing AMD sales share overall is collapsing. It's also seen in their own financials,where they are talking about soft demand for graphics products. Nvidia gaming revenue is going up as is share.

The RX7000 series overall was a disaster. AMD share has gone from 24% 3 years ago to 10% late last year.

This is so great, thanks for sharing!

Are you able to provide any data to back up your claim that "nobody bought" the 7800XT, and that "in the markets they sell they have way too much unsold inventory"...

I appreciate the narrative you are pushing, and would love to see the full spectrum of data that backs it up

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

And i don't think there is anything they can realistically do about that.

They could if they stopped trying to play this 4D Chess jebait stuff and release stuff properly. Even with the RX7000 series,Nvidia gave them a huge chance with the horrendously overpriced RTX4070 which was a joke.

What did AMD do? Wait to launch the RX7800XT four months later,which by the street price of the RTX4070 had dropped and it was easier to get. RX7800XT availability was patchy for a month or two. The same goes with the RX7900XT series. Instead of launching it as an RX7800/RX7800XT at a reasonable price,they looked at the RTX4080 12GB and thought we could do the same. Then Nvidia trolled them by relaunching it as the overpriced RTX4070TI 12GB for $50 less.
Then you had the tepid RX7600 8GB which was only slightly cheaper than an RTX4060.

By the time last year they had dropped prices it was too late. If people on this forum can see how bad this is,then the average buyer is going to care even less. AMD then has to deep discount cards,which they would have needed to do if they launched their products properly.

My 5700 lives to game another day (few weeks)

They were awesome cards - some were as cheap as £250!