Like everyone else, he doesn't know.
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Soldato
From memory a bios update but the rest is pretty much what some posts on here covered like waiting for performance of 5070, driver optimising.
False advertising (ironically appropriate when discussing RDNA 4).
Doubt its a software update, otherwise AMD would be asking retailers to return their stock
Soldato
So we currently have rumours suggesting a price of $unknown that is not being sold as yet because of reasons.
That's the situation as far as I can tell at the moment.
That's the situation as far as I can tell at the moment.
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I love how people come in here to say they're so not interested in the drama, pearl clutching, bed-wetting (?), etc. 
Isn't the 'rumor mill' the perfect place for peak drama?
Also, is AMD going to be waiting with us for the 5070/5070Ti review embargo to lift in February, watching GN/HUB at 2pm so they can figure out how to sell a GPU?
Isn't the 'rumor mill' the perfect place for peak drama?
Also, is AMD going to be waiting with us for the 5070/5070Ti review embargo to lift in February, watching GN/HUB at 2pm so they can figure out how to sell a GPU?
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Yeah so called leakers tend to rehash the same info and put their own spin on it for clicks. At least the graphs MLID showed seem legit.
To be fair if this ends up a $500 to $650 release and AMD give ~20% price performance over the the 5070 and the 5070Ti, they could still salvage this somewhat.
But if they give us the usual ~10% with a bit more VRAM, then that’s just the same failed strategy that has lost them 25% market share in about 6 years.
To be fair if this ends up a $500 to $650 release and AMD give ~20% price performance over the the 5070 and the 5070Ti, they could still salvage this somewhat.
But if they give us the usual ~10% with a bit more VRAM, then that’s just the same failed strategy that has lost them 25% market share in about 6 years.
Soldato
Yeah I mean prices are known thanks to nvidia setting it already and regular folk have already compiled a % improvement from the super cards and original ones so pricing them is straight forward you would have thought.
Here's me thinking these huge corps have spies in competitors and get direct info from board partners should be more informed ahead of anyone.
Tbh I think they decided it would save them money by no high end and focusing on just two sku's. More or less same hardware since last gen just tweaks and dedicated AI chips still using GDDR6 - it should be a cost effective solution and been in production for a while. The old £50 cheaper with some extra vram probably was their go to strategy for gaining market share...
Here's me thinking these huge corps have spies in competitors and get direct info from board partners should be more informed ahead of anyone.
Tbh I think they decided it would save them money by no high end and focusing on just two sku's. More or less same hardware since last gen just tweaks and dedicated AI chips still using GDDR6 - it should be a cost effective solution and been in production for a while. The old £50 cheaper with some extra vram probably was their go to strategy for gaining market share...
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It makes me laugh when knowing this full well AMD die hards act like nothing to see here, all is well. How does it impact me etc etc.
Come on man. We all want AMD to do better. Yes, some may want it so nvidia price their cards better but so what. Seeing AMD at 30-40% market share again would be awesome.
That said I ain't buying their cards out of charity. They need to make or price a card properly to make me want to give them my money.
Supporting the underdog days from me are long gone.
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I think AMD planned to launch without FSR4 being ready but then they got wind of DLSS4 and the cheaper than expected pricing so pulled the launch.
Haha. Yeah let's give them the benefit of the doubt. But if they price it for say £600+ it will be hilarious.
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I can live without fsr4 being ready, they did it with fsr3 right? I don't think dlss4 would have been a shocker, like I said surely they have moles or informers monitoring one another's progress to keep partially in the loop or even just scoping out engineering samples being tested about. If they were surprised by the cheaper than expected 5070 then it should have been part of the 'what if' scenarios a company does no. I would think nvidias bom costs and development would be harder to shave down compared to AMD and the package comparing the two but maybe its something else..
Cards like the 5070 are ridiculously cheap to make though with a 60 class 267mm2 die, even the 70ti and 80 are probably comparable in costs to a 9070XT/9070 when you then factor in the discounts for the bulk component buying power Nvidia have, also RnD is split with enterprise of which Nvidia are making nearly 30b a quarter.
A few thoughts!
I'm pretty positive, on balance. Not great for me because I have no patience, but long term it makes sense.
If they release it now, it means they're not confident enough to go up against the 5070/ti. They know if it was released this week, it would be compared against the 4070 cards, which would be ok until the 50 lot come out and they might suddenly look rubbish, like I imagine the B580 will.
Of course they then miss out on the free hit of the positive reviews that will remain forever despite losing context within weeks.
They made a decently big deal out of FSR4 being machine learning and developed for RDNA4, so if that wasn't ready for launch the usual whining will ensue.
Lastly, being willing to put a launch on hold, with cards with reviewers and in shops, to make sure they get it right cannot be a bad thing. What their intentions were before the pivot makes no difference in the grand scheme of things.
Of course they could release it at the same price as the 5070/ti, with worse performance, no FSR4, no stock, driver issues and a little gremlin that pops out of the GPU box and defecates in your cereal, but you never know
I'm pretty positive, on balance. Not great for me because I have no patience, but long term it makes sense.
If they release it now, it means they're not confident enough to go up against the 5070/ti. They know if it was released this week, it would be compared against the 4070 cards, which would be ok until the 50 lot come out and they might suddenly look rubbish, like I imagine the B580 will.
Of course they then miss out on the free hit of the positive reviews that will remain forever despite losing context within weeks.
They made a decently big deal out of FSR4 being machine learning and developed for RDNA4, so if that wasn't ready for launch the usual whining will ensue.
Lastly, being willing to put a launch on hold, with cards with reviewers and in shops, to make sure they get it right cannot be a bad thing. What their intentions were before the pivot makes no difference in the grand scheme of things.
Of course they could release it at the same price as the 5070/ti, with worse performance, no FSR4, no stock, driver issues and a little gremlin that pops out of the GPU box and defecates in your cereal, but you never know
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Soldato
For £224 less than the 4080, my XTX 'in the settings I play' saved me the £1730 cost of the 4090 I didn't keep as the 4080 didn't have enough vram for my gaming needs, that's why I'm so vocal on Vram regardless the flack my way:thumbsup
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XTX was my first AMD gpu in over ten years, I'd rather spend £500 rather than £729+ if they perform similar, however, at this point if AMD think the XT at £650+ v's 70TI and it's only got MLFSRv1 v's DLSS4 is a good idea with RT'ing gaining momentum, they've lost the plot!
If 70XT doesn't come in under the 5070 with the performance to hit the 70ti, it'll be business as usual at AMD-profit first, market share-we don't give a ****!
And I'll give in and go Nv again, who knows if AMD will still be selling dgpu's if they don't deliver this time, the XTX could be my last when the XT doesn't reach the PP I'm willing to pay AMD my monies, the Nv experience is well worth the premium over AMD.
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