*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[ICDP]

AMD might trying something different! Just like an unlaunch taking two months after stock is in shops!

So you thinking they may be hoping for divine intervention?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So you thinking they may be hoping for divine intervention?

I think Divine Intervention has more chance of happening than AMD not messing up a launch.

I really do wonder what Nvidia makes of AMD repeatedly getting itself in a muddle,when they make no attempt to actually bother themselves.

 

[ICDP]

I think Divine Intervention has more chance of happening than AMD not messing up a launch.

I really do wonder what Nvidia makes of AMD repeatedly getting itself in a muddle,when they make no attempt to actually bother themselves.

I think the problem is almost like Stockholm syndrome with Nvidia.

 

[Bidley]

Way to go at completely missing the point. Nobody looks at market share when buying anything. But people go out and buy Nike because they have biggest mindshare. Do you not understand that very example you were using to make some kind of point doesn't actually prove your point?



Nobody is ringing the death toll? What the hell are you talking about? People are expressing this disappointment with AMD screwing up another GPU release. You say you have the clarity of mind to understand why? Please point out why? AMD haven't said why. So please explain what you know that AMD doesn't?



And this take is as bad as the rest of your takes in this thread. Easily countered. Cat-The-Fifth and TNA are both active in this thread longer than you. And I posted in this thread previously, but only started taking an interest again closer launch. Which was supposed to be January. Now, it's delayed to March because of Nvidia's 5xxx announcement.


Of course it matters. AMD has done what they seem to always do, they have screwed up a launch.

Are you ok?

 

[ICDP]

I think given the very Luke warm reception to the 5090, that maybe AMD need to be cut some slack on holding off.

I know some are still saying the 5090 is amazing performance, but I am sorry that power usage, excessive heat (it has to go somewhere) and the essentially zero price/perf improvements and I am not impressed. It does not bode well for the rest of the 5000 stack to be brutally honest.

Expecting AMD to mess up the pricing, even if the GPUs are good. Let’s hope I am wrong.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

I think given the very Luke warm reception to the 5090, that maybe AMD need to be cut some slack on holding off.

I disagree. AMD are too weak to announce anything, without daddy Jensen showing them the playbook they'll be using. They deserve the ribbing.
They should know the market by now, they should have a plan that's a bit better than "copy Nvidia's naming scheme, and just price it at within a few percent of those cards".

 

[ICDP]

I disagree. AMD are too weak to announce anything, without daddy Jensen showing them the playbook they'll be using. They deserve the ribbing.
They should know the market by now, they should have a plan that's a bit better than "copy Nvidia's naming scheme, and just price it at within a few percent of those cards".

I said “some” not all the slack

So yes, AMD should have committed and the real reason they didn’t is purely to maximise profits.

If the 5090 had performed and reviewed much better, then it would have meant the lower stack would benefit from all the positivity around Blackwell. Instead all the pessimistic leaks showing the very poor performance uplifts for the 5080 and lower look like coming true.

I can’t see how a 5070 getting sub 10% improvement over a 4070 Super is going to review well. This is why Nvidia have cut prices 10%.

AMD could (and should) be able to give easily 20% better price/perf over Nvidia. Though I mostly expect them to give us the usual 10% price/perf improvement and that will be disappointing.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Need I remind you, that 5070 = 4090.
We are lucky that Nvidia will be launching at such generous prices.

 

[ICDP]

lol, I wonder how many people actually believed that crap. It received a very lukewarm reception when he presented that slide. It was pure cringe, though not as bad as when he was laughed at for claiming we all have $10000 (ten thousand dollar) command centres.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I disagree. AMD are too weak to announce anything, without daddy Jensen showing them the playbook they'll be using. They deserve the ribbing.
They should know the market by now, they should have a plan that's a bit better than "copy Nvidia's naming scheme, and just price it at within a few percent of those cards".

It worries me they are delaying against a weak Nvidia generation. Last time they did they were happy copying Nvidia pricing.

I said “some” not all the slack

So yes, AMD should have committed and the real reason they didn’t is purely to maximise profits.

If the 5090 had performed and reviewed much better, then it would have meant the lower stack would benefit from all the positivity around Blackwell. Instead all the pessimistic leaks showing the very poor performance uplifts for the 5080 and lower look like coming true.

I can’t see how a 5070 getting sub 10% improvement over a 4070 Super is going to review well. This is why Nvidia have cut prices 10%.

AMD could (and should) be able to give easily 20% better price/perf over Nvidia. Though I mostly expect them to give us the usual 10% price/perf improvement and that will be disappointing.

That would make it almost an RTX4070TI. The RX9070 is apparently a slightly slower RX7900XT so would be ahead in rasterised performance. So again, why is AMD delaying when it's quite clear a £480 price point(RX7800XT launch price) would land it rave reviews and make the RTX5070 look mediocre.

I think it will be a repeat of the RX7900XT launch. Price it the same as the RTX5070 because it is slightly faster. Then we will have a £400 RX9600XT.

 

[aminegriffy]

How much did the custom model cost when the 7800XT dropped ? Were there any custom model close the £480 MSRP ? Because I feel like the founder edition pricing should be just ignored, we are already seeing companies like Asus charging £200+ over the MSRP for the Nvidia cards.

 

[Grim5]

Need I remind you, that 5070 = 4090.
We are lucky that Nvidia will be launching at such generous prices.

5070 = 4090, yet we can produce multiple results showing the 4090 being faster than the 5090, especially if you have play at 1440p or 1080p and especially if you don't use a ryzen 9000 cpu

 

[Nitefly]

5070 = 4090, yet we can produce multiple results showing the 4090 being faster than the 5090, especially if you have play at 1440p or 1080p and especially if you don't use a ryzen 9000 cpu

Isn’t that due to driver issues though? I think Hardware Canucks went over this in their vid.

Also who buys a 4090 / 5090 with the desire of playing at those potato resolutions native… would be a pretty pointless purchase, unless you have little concern for image quality. Using a 1440p monitor after 4k is like… my eyeeeesss.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

5070 = 4090, yet we can produce multiple results showing the 4090 being faster than the 5090, especially if you have play at 1440p or 1080p and especially if you don't use a ryzen 9000 cpu

Shh. I don't want any nonsense, like real world evidence.
Jensen said.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

How much did the custom model cost when the 7800XT dropped ? Were there any custom model close the £480 MSRP ? Because I feel like the founder edition pricing should be just ignored, we are already seeing companies like Asus charging £200+ over the MSRP for the Nvidia cards.

They were all custom models and there were RRP models such as the Sapphire Pulse for RRP. Only 30% over an RX7800XT would get you RX7900XT performance. The RX7900XT is under 20% faster than a £520 RX7900GRE.

If the RX9070 is over £500 with RX7900XT level performance,it would be a repeat of the RTX4000/RX7900 series launches where price/performance improvements were poor. You would be look at barely 20% improvements in price/performance or even less.

 

[ICDP]

They were all custom models and there were RRP models such as the Sapphire Pulse for RRP. Only 30% over an RX7800XT would get you RX7900XT performance. The RX7900XT is under 20% faster than a £520 RX7900GRE.

If the RX9070 is over £500 with RX7900XT level performance,it would be a repeat of the RTX4000/RX7900 series launches where price/performance improvements were poor. You would be look at barely 20% improvements in price/performance or even less.

Yeah, it would be bad but I can still see AMD thinking “but that’s twice what Nvidia are offering”.

Let me be honest, if the 9070 XT offers 15% more than 7900 XT performance in raster, and 50% more in heavy RT and costs £600, it would still be a decent price/perf uplift all in all. It would still be AMD pricing up one tier.

But I am expecting AMD to be even greedier than that.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yeah, it would be bad but I can still see AMD thinking “but that’s twice what Nvidia are offering”.

Let me be honest, if the 9070 XT offers 15% more than 7900 XT performance in raster, and 50% more in heavy RT and costs £600, it would still be a decent price/perf uplift all in all. It would still be AMD pricing up one tier.

But I am expecting AMD to be even greedier than that.

I have no interest in £600+ cards, I am only interested in the RX7800XT replacement at under £500 and hardly any of my mates would spend £600 on graphics cards.

This is why I talk about the RX9070 non-XT. The RX6700XT and RX7800XT offered between 33% to 47% more performance than the previous cards. If the RX7800XT replacement offers much less than a 30% improvement under £500,this is yet another RTX4070 level move.

If that happens both AMD and Nvidia can keep their cards on the shelves for the PCMR FOMO whales to buy them. If not the next generation we will find more price inflation. I remember warning people a decade ago what the Titan would eventually do to dGPU prices. As the top prices go up it drags everything below upwards.

You can see that with Samsung/Apple when it comes to their smartphones now.

 

[Game]

Isn’t that due to driver issues though? I think Hardware Canucks went over this in their vid.

Also who buys a 4090 / 5090 with the desire of playing at those potato resolutions native… would be a pretty pointless purchase, unless you have little concern for image quality. Using a 1440p monitor after 4k is like… my eyeeeesss.

there are Many many reasons to play at 1440p at a solid 165 fps with no dips in performance being one I really cant see any reasons to play anything competitive at 4k

solo maybe but then you can go on about it to yourself

I find the whole use of the word "Potato" pretty offensive and elitist now are we becoming all intolerant Elitist jerks

 

[ICDP]

I understand where you are coming from @CAT-THE-FIFTH but as more performance leaks are revealed I’m starting to believe the 9070 is more in line as the 7800 XT replacement and the 9070 XT is more in line with the 7900 GRE replacement. So I have revised my ideas of where they line up against the current stack.

Both give about 20% - 25% higher raster and about 40% - 50% higher extreme RT performance compared to the 7800 XT and 7900 GRE respectively. Average those uplifts out and you get the 30% - 40% generational uplift we expect to see.

If accurate then a 9070 at £500 would be a decent price and the 9070 XT at £600 is again decent. Not great, but decent.

Let’s see what AMD do.

 

[Bidley]

I understand where you are coming from but as more performance leaks are revealed I’m starting to believe the 9070 at 4K is ~25% faster in RT than the 7800 XT and ~50% in extreme RT. All in all a very decent uplift if it comes in at ~£500

The 9070 XT is looking more like a 7900 GRE replacement with similar raster and extreme RT uplifts. So £600 seems like an OK price.

So I have revised my assumptions on which cards the 9070 and 9089 XT are actually replacing on AMDs own stack.

Yeah I think that's where the nuance lies in this gen for AMD. RT performance really let the 7000 series down, so balancing that side of things out would make this gen a more rounded option. It's probably another factor in why they decided to only target mid-range as well.