*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[Bidley]

I understand where you are coming from but as more performance leaks are revealed I’m starting to believe the 9070 at 4K is ~25% faster in RT than the 7800 XT and ~50% in extreme RT. All in all a very decent uplift if it comes in at ~£500

The 9070 XT is looking more like a 7900 GRE replacement with similar raster and extreme RT uplifts. So £600 seems like an OK price.

So I have revised my assumptions on which cards the 9070 and 9089 XT are actually replacing on AMDs own stack.

Yeah I think that's where the nuance lies in this gen for AMD. RT performance really let the 7000 series down, so balancing that side of things out would make this gen a more rounded option. It's probably another factor in why they decided to only target mid-range as well.

 

[Nitefly]

there are Many many reasons to play at 1440p at a solid 165 fps with no dips in performance being one I really cant see any reasons to play anything competitive at 4k

solo maybe but then you can go on about it to yourself

Yes, there are many reasons to game at 1440p, I agree. 1440p gaming is legit.

What I said was that you really don’t need a top end card to do this. Which is true - you don’t.

I do personally think that 1440p image quality is noticeably poor compared to 4k. If that’s a compromise someone else is happy with, that’s fine.

I find the whole use of the word "Potato" pretty offensive and elitist now are we becoming all intolerant Elitist jerks

I mean… you should probably get some thicker skin if you found that ‘offensive’.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

I don't understand how you can think £600 seems reasonable, if it's 7900GRE levels. No idea what those cards have been down to in the UK, but here we can still buy the XFX model for £420.
"Hey, AMD! Please give us the same performance for more money. I beg you!"

Performance should go up over time. I know gamers are desperate to pay more for less, but... Come on.

 

[ICDP]

Yeah I think that's where the nuance lies in this gen for AMD. RT performance really let the 7000 series down, so balancing that side of things out would make this gen a more rounded option. It's probably another factor in why they decided to only target mid-range as well.

Yeah this is why I have combined both raster and RT performance and have a simple average uplift. RT is now near the stage where the majority of new AAA games support it, so we can no longer simply look at raster on its own.

The nuance being that AMD clearly allocated more silicon budget to the RT side. So we need to factor that in to our overall assessments.

 

[ICDP]

I don't understand how you can think £600 seems reasonable, if it's 7900GRE levels. No idea what those cards have been down to in the UK, but here we can still buy the XFX model for £420.
"Hey, AMD! Please give us the same performance for more money. I beg you!"

Performance should go up over time. I know gamers are desperate to pay more for less, but... Come on.

I mean GRE price, not performance. The GRE was £550 to £600 on release of if I recall. I have never looked at EOL prices as a guide to what new MSRP should be.

So given the alleged performance leaks a 9070 XT can be argued to be a 7900 GRE replacement. ~25% raster increase and ~50% extreme RT increase.

 

[danlightbulb]

Got my 7900xt for £699 a year or so ago (maybe bit longer can't remember - was just before starfield came out).

If 9070 XT is similar price for same performance that's awful.

If I don't decide to get a 5080, I'd be interested in 9070xt if it's 30% faster than what I have for c.£500.

 

[Game]

Yes, there are many reasons to game at 1440p, I agree. 1440p gaming is legit.

What I said was that you really don’t need a top end card to do this. Which is true - you don’t.

I do personally think that 1440p image quality is noticeably poor compared to 4k. If that’s a compromise someone else is happy with, that’s fine.



I mean… you should probably get some thicker skin if you found that ‘offensive’.

its just the Term its seems to be the new beater word

your right 4k does look noticeably better

personally I think a 4090 is a touch over kill as well but if I was still playing competitive like back in the day I would want the best I could buy to keep my frames consistent ,but of course that might not be the top end card if lower models can do the same job

 

[StarShock]

I don't understand how you can think £600 seems reasonable, if it's 7900GRE levels. No idea what those cards have been down to in the UK, but here we can still buy the XFX model for £420.
"Hey, AMD! Please give us the same performance for more money. I beg you!"

Performance should go up over time. I know gamers are desperate to pay more for less, but... Come on.

I believe the idea is gre level pricing, not performance. Looks like it will be a fair bit faster, for similar money. Though it's all guess work at this stage as the only official thing we know is the name and "March"

 

[Tinek]

I find the whole use of the word "Potato" pretty offensive and elitist now are we becoming all intolerant Elitist jerks

Isn't that what the "pc master race" has been about for the last 20+ years, though? As in, this isn't anything new at all. You should see console wars between vendors, that's full of truly offensive invectives usually.

 

[ICDP]

Got my 7900xt for £699 a year or so ago (maybe bit longer can't remember - was just before starfield came out).

If 9070 XT is similar price for same performance that's awful.

If I don't decide to get a 5080, I'd be interested in 9070xt if it's 30% faster than what I have for c.£500.

Starfield released in Sept 2023 and I got my 7900 XT in July with the Starfield premium code for £699. So yes if the 9070 XT was the same price, it would indeed be terrible.

But as far as performance leaks show the 9070XT will be about 10% faster in raster and about 40% better in extreme RT than a 7900 XT. So would that be a meaningful upgrade at (guessing) £600? That would be down to personal preference but it also loses sight of the fact the 9070 XT is not aimed as a 7900 XT replacement. So your expectations of 30% extra performance over a 7900 XT for £500 are unrealistic to be fair. Because that would be just 10% below a 4090 performance for £500. And I don’t mean Jensen’s fake frames BS 5070 = 4090

But if AMD do think £699 is a fair price then yes, that would be terrible.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I understand where you are coming from @CAT-THE-FIFTH but as more performance leaks are revealed I’m starting to believe the 9070 is more in line as the 7800 XT replacement and the 9070 XT is more in line with the 7900 GRE replacement. So I have revised my ideas of where they line up against the current stack.

Both give about 20% - 25% higher raster and about 40% - 50% higher extreme RT performance compared to the 7800 XT and 7900 GRE respectively. Average those uplifts out and you get the 30% - 40% generational uplift we expect to see.

If accurate then a 9070 at £500 would be a decent price and the 9070 XT at £600 is again decent. Not great, but decent.

Let’s see what AMD do.

The issue are the price rises. Mainstream gamers are more price sensitive. I don't think anyone I know personally will spend £500+ to replace an RX7800XT or RX6700XT. Most of last year the RX7800XT was well under £500.

The RX7800XT offered 47% more rasterised performance than an RX6700XT and 59% more RT performance than an RX6700XT:

AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT Review

With the Radeon RX 7800 XT, AMD is going after the GeForce RTX 4070. Our review confirms that AMD has achieved performance parity in rasterization and is pretty close in ray tracing, at a much better price point, and they are giving you 16 GB VRAM, instead of just 12 GB.

www.techpowerup.com

The RTX4070(and even RTX4070 Super) were available for under £500 last year. Even @TNA got an RTX4070TI 12GB for under £600. So AMD will be offering the same RT performance which we could get last year.The RTX4070 was 20% to 25% faster in rasterised and RT than an RTX3070TI. It was universally slated.

If the RX9070 ends up over £500 it screws up everything under it.

The RX9060XT will be £400+ and very gimped.

This is what the RTX4070 did and ****** up everything for most of us. If AMD wants to go the Nvidia way,the FOMO crowd and fans can buy them.

No wonder global dGPU sales are trending downwards. Everyone I know is jaded by the shrinkflation in dGPUs - they can't believe how expensive dGPUs have got and are just upgrading less and less often.

 

[danlightbulb]

Starfield released in Sept 2023 and I got my 7900 XT in July with the Starfield premium code for £699.

Ah ok bit longer than I thought then as I also got the Starfield code bundle from here.

So your expectations of 30% extra performance over a 7900 XT for £500 are unrealistic to be fair

Ah ok. If 5080 is almost 4090 performance in raster for £1k, and 7900XT was £700 for 35% lower performance, then I'd be expecting maybe a 20% uplift from 7900 XT for around the same price I guess. Something of that order.

But don't think 20% is worth upgrading for. Better of getting 5080 for +35% at £1k.



On reflection the 7900XT was a pretty decent card. Its still appearing in the top 10 or so cards shown on the benchmark charts for the 5090 reviews.

 

[ICDP]

The issue are the price rises. Mainstream gamers are more price sensitive. I don't think anyone I know personally will spend £500+ to replace an RX7800XT or RX6700XT. Most of last year the RX7800XT was well under £500.

The RX7800XT offered 47% more rasterised performance than an RX6700XT and 59% more RT performance than an RX6700XT:

AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT Review

With the Radeon RX 7800 XT, AMD is going after the GeForce RTX 4070. Our review confirms that AMD has achieved performance parity in rasterization and is pretty close in ray tracing, at a much better price point, and they are giving you 16 GB VRAM, instead of just 12 GB.

www.techpowerup.com

The RTX4070(and even RTX4070 Super) were available for under £500 last year. Even @TNA got an RTX4070TI 12GB for under £600. So AMD will be offering the same RT performance which we could get last year.The RTX4070 was 20% to 25% faster in rasterised and RT than an RTX3070TI. It was universally slated.

If the RX9070 ends up over £500 it screws up everything under it.

The RX9060XT will be £400+ and very gimped.

This is what the RTX4070 did and ****** up everything for most of us. If AMD wants to go the Nvidia way,the FOMO crowd and fans can buy them.

No wonder global dGPU sales are trending downwards. Everyone I know is jaded by the shrinkflation in dGPUs - they can't believe how expensive dGPUs have got and are just upgrading less and less often.

Yeah I agree on the prices but if the 9070 is £500 and and give average of raster/RT combined uplift of ~30%, it reasonable.

It would also mean the 12GB 9060 XT (some leaks still suggest 16GB) could be ~£400.

So certainly not amazing but still a lot better than what Nvidia are offering. Though I still think even these are optimistic prices based on AMDs past pricing history.

 

[santa]

60 pages later goddamn this thread is cooking. And today is apparently not the day. Mid march then. I'm convinced the TPU specs are completely wrong BTW as they copy a lot of the previous gen specs exactly, like the cache. So there's no real information to go on. I'm betting this thread'll be at over 350 pages by the time AMD release official specs.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yeah I agree on the prices but if the 9070 is £500 and and give average of raster/RT combined uplift of ~30%, it reasonable.

It would also mean the 12GB 9060 XT (some leaks still suggest 16GB) could be ~£400.

So certainly not amazing but still a lot better than what Nvidia are offering. Though I still think even these are optimistic prices based on AMDs past pricing history.

The issue is that what happens after the initial batch of £499.99 models sells out? Then the real price will be trending towards the RTX5070. That won't work at all - even if AMD is faster in rasterised,Nvidia will be ahead in RT. Plus Nvidia gets devs to massively optimise for Nvidia in those titles which makes AMD RT performance look worse than it should. The RX7800XT prices were bookended by the RTX4070 street prices dropping closer to £500. Plus the PS5 Pro is probably RTX4070 level performance. A RX9060XT would be barely be better than an RX7800XT/RTX4070 and would match a console at best.

So we are back to square one again.

 

[ICDP]

You seem to be working on hypotheticals that mean nothing to MSRP pricing. What if the 5070 has very limited supply and retailers scalp it to £650, but the 9070 is £500 and faster with more VRAM? Another hypothetical that means nothing.

The RT uplift on the 5090 shows similar scaling to the 4090. So RT has not been improved in Blackwell. This means the 9070/XT will be closer in RT to Nvidia than AMD have ever been.

 

[Bidley]

The issue is that what happens after the initial batch of £499.99 models sells out? Then the real price will be trending towards the RTX5070. That won't work at all - even if AMD is faster in rasterised,Nvidia will be ahead in RT. Plus Nvidia gets devs to massively optimise for Nvidia in those titles which makes AMD RT performance look worse than it should. The RX7800XT prices were bookended by the RTX4070 street prices dropping closer to £500. Plus the PS5 Pro is probably RTX4070 level performance. A RX9060XT would be barely be better than an RX7800XT/RTX4070 and would match a console at best.

So we are back to square one again.

I agree with this in theory, but I think this is where I differ on a subjective level - I've accepted that I'm going to have to pay more for less whichever card I go for, if i want to upgrade. It just depends on the size of the appendage and amount of lube required

 

[Phixsator]

I agree with this in theory, but I think this is where I differ on a subjective level - I've accepted that I'm going to have to pay more for less whichever card I go for, if i want to upgrade. It just depends on the size of the appendage and amount of lube required

Not my thing. Lube is for fun times. Being shafted by overkill prices ain't fun. I'll just wait. Pretty simple. I waited before getting my 6950, I waited before getting my 6700XT and I'll wait again if the asking price is more than what I think that level of performance is worth. Their FOMO campaigns can go take a hike.

 

[Bidley]

Not my thing. Lube is for fun times. Being shafted by overkill prices ain't fun. I'll just wait. Pretty simple. I waited before getting my 6950, I waited before getting my 6700XT and I'll wait again if the asking price is more than what I think that level of performance is worth. Their FOMO campaigns can go take a hike.

Yeah for sure - I was thinking in terms of price/perf against previous generations.

 

[Armageus]

I predict £550 but with £79 worth of bundled games.