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[Grim5]

Unfortunately that's probably accurate when the 5070ti is $750

$649 sounds pretty decent after todays 5080 reviews though, getting 90% of the 5080's performance at $649 instead of $999 is great

 

[uscool]

$649 sounds pretty decent after todays 5080 reviews though, getting 90% of the 5080's performance at $649 instead of $999 is great

Still think £600 would shake things up more

 

[Case1987]

For comparison My 7900 XT overlocks about 13% in actual games. My 4080 got at best 4%. So the 7900 XT goes from 15% slower to ~5% slower when overclocked. So those numbers seem about right.

Obviously this means nothing as far as RDNA4 goes though.

Is it stable in all games? haven't tried with mine yet

 

[McPhee]

Still think £600 would shake things up more

So would £50

If MLID is right, the 9070 and 9070 XT are about to make every other GPU between £400 and £999 pretty irrelevant. And even looking at the 5080, you would need to have money to burn to justify the extra £400 for a <10% increase in gaming performance.

 

[sx_turbo]

Apart from the unknown about the pricing, my other concern is the 16GB on the 9070XT. Especially, since the 7900XT/X had more 2 and the 6800XT equal 4 years ago respectively. It could limit the useful life of the card, especially when a new console generation comes along.

Strikes me as a bit "Nvidia-ist" and built in obsolescence. So still tempted by a fire sale 7900XTX if one comes up.

I think the issue is the die size is quite a large monolithic die supposedly 390mm2 (rumors though), slightly larger than the 4080 and so to get the price point they need to skimp elsewhere, and really the only way for that to happen is to reduce the ram capacity.

 

[Parky]

It seems very logical to hold off my search for a new card until AMD joins the fray at this point, I've gone from being all in for a 5090, to quickly sliding down the stack and eventually just considering getting a cheap 4080 second hand given how disappointing all the reviews, mental pricing and how dire the stock situation is likely to be.

If the 9070XT can hit those kind of performance numbers at that kind of price range then it seems like a no brainer for me.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Take with a truckload of salt:

MLID says the RX9070XT targeted performance is 3% faster than an RTX4080FE in rasterised.

The RX9070XT performs around an RTX4070TI Super in Cyberpunk 2077 and the RX9070 non-XT around an RX7900XT/RTX4070 Super.

If the hardware configurations are to be believed,that would mean that RT performance per shader has gone up by 75% in that game.

 

[kieran_read]

Amd cards are selling well in the overclockers todays deals

8x 7900xtx
2x7900xt
4x7800xt

so tempted with a 7800 but know I will regret it in two months time

Par the course with AMD, their cards sell better when being cleared out lol.

So would £50

If MLID is right, the 9070 and 9070 XT are about to make every other GPU between £400 and £999 pretty irrelevant. And even looking at the 5080, you would need to have money to burn to justify the extra £400 for a <10% increase in gaming performance.

Let's settle down a little, this is AMD they have 2 months to **** this up.

Looking at reviews of the 5080 a 9070xt at 600 would destroy everything and is a market leading, marketshare growing price....

This is AMD and they have just found out their up coming card is far closer to the 5080 than they expected and they like to price 50 less than Nvidia.... their renaming of the cards has backfired if they kept it as it was it would be priced agaisnt the 5080, this has backfired on them, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they tried to price it at 800 and a higher MSRP than the 5070ti because of how it performs.

Don't get me wrong if they price at 600 it's a mega deal (if leaked charts are true) and would be a game changer I think personally at best we get 699, realistically being that it's AMD i suspect they will push it to 750-800 with 700 on a deal.

That's my prediction.

 

[Phixsator]

Don't like the idea of 650£, not one bit. You can get a partner model 7900XTX here in DK for 6666DKK(741£ including 25% sales tax) right now. Offering yesterdays performance for a measly 100£ rebate is pretty sad. I don't hope this is the play from the new leadership at AMD. It actually offends me a bit.. yeah I know.. I'm being a bit of ********* right now, feel free to flak me for it. They have a golden opportunity to reset the market and earn huge amounts of credibility while letting nvidia swim in their own toilet soup by offering solid ubber midrange products for what use to be midrange pricing adjusted ofc for inflation. 500-550£ at most for the XT. Don't care if it matches the 5070ti, the 5070ti is poop at its MSRP anyway as is the rest of the 5000 series lineup. 650 pounds was once enough for a TI class card and while money devalue over time, because politics, it doesn't justify an almost 100% increase in pricing over a short span of 8 years.

Enough talk, time to show what you(AMD) have said is actually true and if a shareholder is squealing a little because they are too stupid to understand our hobby then send them to Denmark, I'll have a greeting committee ready

/joke, not joke /s

 

[Poneros]

Unfortunately that's probably accurate when the 5070ti is $750 , AMD has closed the gap but that price still wouldn't be good enough

Exactly. It will be near in performance to the 5070 Ti, not the 5080 like so many dream about, but likely still worse by a tier in RT and way more in PT not to mention all the other goodies it's missing that are Nvidia features. If they were to price it at $649 it would just be trash. Realistically they need to do $550 at most to really make a dent, unless they just don't plan to ship volume and want to drip feed them until UDNA.

 

[Mercurial]

I'm at 1440p so I think I'll be okay also has the raw GPU power to give nice headroom at that resolution

Yes, I think at 1440p it'll be fine for a few years - moving to 4K may be an issue though.

I think the issue is the die size is quite a large monolithic die supposedly 390mm2 (rumors though), slightly larger than the 4080 and so to get the price point they need to skimp elsewhere, and really the only way for that to happen is to reduce the ram capacity.

That makes sense - it still all then comes down to price, and if the improved FSR4 and RT is important to the user, i'm still on the fence about RT personally, but it seems to be built-in to more games and this trend will likely continue. FSR4 may prove more useful if widely adopted and is as good as the hype.

 

[santa]

5080 Ti / Super would be easy - just take the full fat GB202 chip from the 5090 and disable some SMs

5070, similar approach, using the GB203 chip (which the Ti already uses).

From a gamer perspective there is clearly a sku missing, the one between the 5080 and 5090 that would essentially be a 4090 refresh which would tempt many into opening their wallet, flagship performance just a little late would be justifiable to many. It could exist at some point when badly binned GB202 stacks up enough, but I don't know if it will exist in numbers to satisfy gaming demand. The 5090 is already by quite a margin not the best bin of the GB202, in a sense the 5090 is where quite a lot of the chips go that underperform wherever the golden chips go for funny money. Nvidia is in an insanely comfortable position being able to offload a lower bin as their flagship consumer part like this.

 

[kieran_read]

Exactly. It will be near in performance to the 5070 Ti, not the 5080 like so many dream about, but likely still worse by a tier in RT and way more in PT not to mention all the other goodies it's missing that are Nvidia features. If they were to price it at $649 it would just be trash. Realistically they need to do $550 at most to really make a dent, unless they just don't plan to ship volume and want to drip feed them until UDNA.

Theres going to be little to no availability of a 5070ti at 750 they will be 800 minimum with most around 850.

650 would be fine and not trash, it won't be as amazing as the 579-600 that was being floated a few weeks ago but it would be fine and people would move to AMD.

At this level of the market people will buy what's available, if AMD can keep stocks replenished at close to the MSRP it will sell fine, its ridiculous to say it has to be 200 cheaper than the 5070ti to make a dent.

The only issue will be if AMD price it at 700 lower than that and it will be fine. Don't get me wrong there's a difference between being great and just fine, but to go as far as saying trash is just over the top.

 

[MyBrainz]

650-699 for a 70 tier card.. so Nvidia now dictating AMD pricing.

Some of you guys are getting proper sucked into these higher prices just because performance 'might' be close to a 5080

 

[kieran_read]

650-699 for a 70 tier card.. so Nvidia now dictating AMD pricing.

Some of you guys are getting proper sucked into these higher prices just because performance 'might' be close to a 5080

Hi I'm Kieran, nice to meet you and welcome to PC gaming nice to have you here...

Nvidia have always dictated AMD pricing, AMD price to Nvidia they always have. No ones getting suckered into anything, I'm still running a 1080ti.

Were anticipating how AMD will respond on their track record, no one has said prices are good or bad just how they will perform. (Well I've tried to avoid that anyway)

 

[StarShock]

I think anything much above 650 puts it too close to the 5070ti, or at least it's msrp, if amd want a clear win. A better deal than a bad deal doesn't make it good.
I feel like they have an opportunity here to really gain some mind share. If they get the price right, I can see the thumbnails now, big grin holding up a 9070xt big red arrow pointed at it "buy this one"

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Exactly. It will be near in performance to the 5070 Ti, not the 5080 like so many dream about, but likely still worse by a tier in RT and way more in PT not to mention all the other goodies it's missing that are Nvidia features. If they were to price it at $649 it would just be trash. Realistically they need to do $550 at most to really make a dent, unless they just don't plan to ship volume and want to drip feed them until UDNA.

AMD has to be a bit careful with pricing. Once the 3GB GDDR7 modules are easier to get,Nvidia could make a Super refresh by the end of the year once RTX4000 stock is finished. The last Super refresh might be one of the factors why AMD sales tanked last year.

 

[kieran_read]

I think anything much above 650 puts it too close to the 5070ti, or at least it's msrp, if amd want a clear win. A better deal than a bad deal doesn't make it good.
I feel like they have an opportunity here to really gain some mind share. If they get the price right, I can see the thumbnails now, big grin holding up a 9070xt big red arrow pointed at it "buy this one"

I 100% agree, but this is AMD we're talking about, they work for shareholders not us. I will be buying something the newly revealed 5080 prices has ruled that out.

Likely looking at a 7900xtx that's been reduced or a 9070xt. I'd love it to be sub 600 I just don't see it happening.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I 100% agree, but this is AMD we're talking about, they work for shareholders not us. I will be buying something the newly revealed 5080 prices has ruled that out.

Likely looking at a 7900xtx that's been reduced or a 9070xt. I'd love it to be sub 600 I just don't see it happening.

AMD need to stop looking at what Nvidia is doing. They need to offer a good performance jump over their current offerings.

30% over an RX7800XT gives you an RX7900XT/RTX4070TI. 30% over an RX7900GRE gives you almost an RX7900XTX/RTX4080.

They also need to sell upgrades to their own customers too. If their own customers won't think it's a good value uplift,those on Nvidia will be even less inclined to consider AMD.

 

[sx_turbo]

AMD has to be a bit careful with pricing. Once the 3GB GDDR7 modules are easier to get,Nvidia could make a Super refresh by the end of the year once RTX4000 stock is finished. The last Super refresh might be one of the factors why AMD sales tanked last year.

Regarding modules, I'm wondering if AMD could do a refresh later on and go for ddr6x modules to extract a bit more performance against the inevitable Nvidia super refresh next year.