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[aminegriffy]

Are AMD cards usually hard to get against release day ? I just witness the 5080 selling out within 1 min on every single retailer in the country. It's not giving me strong hopes for the 9070 since I will be going for it

 

[Poneros]

I don't think anyone expects the 9070 XT to be close to the 5080?

But if the 9070 XT can keep up with the 4080 (which is plausible) then the 5080 only offers 10-15% more performance for (assuming a $649 price) 54% more money.

People are nickel and diming the performance differences between products (4080/Super/5080) and not adding it up so they confuse the actual standings of these GPUs and making the wrong comparison like you just did.

If we look at the leaked benchmarks for 9070 XT we can see it can only barely get, in raster, near 7900 XTX sometimes but it has big losses too, and the XTX is still slower than 4080 Super. So why would it be more appropriate to compare it to the 5080 rather than 5070 Ti? Because when you do that it won't be vs a card costing "54% more money" but rather $100 less, and then you'd have to weigh up better RT performance, waaay better PT performance (actually usable, so closer to an infinite difference), waaaaaaay better AA, upscaling and denoising, and all the other goodies (RTX HDR, reflex, ansel, cuda, support for future tech like mega geometry & neural rendering etc) not to mention the hurdle of getting people to switch from Nvidia to AMD which people naturally have an aversion to (change). All for what - $100? LOL!

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I don't think anyone expects the 9070 XT to be close to the 5080?

But if the 9070 XT can keep up with the 4080 (which is plausible) then the 5080 only offers 10-15% more performance for (assuming a $649 price) 54% more money.

And the 5080 has possibly improved RT and DLSS which provide a fair bit of added value.

 

[Tetras]

Are AMD cards usually hard to get against release day ? I just witness the 5080 selling out within 1 min on every single retailer in the country. It's not giving me strong hopes for the 9070 since I will be going for it

Not normally, no (outside of the crypto boom), assuming AMD provide decent stock. If they do sell out, it takes longer and they tend to come back in quantity over a week or two.

 

[aminegriffy]

People keep saying £600 but there is no way it's gonna cost £600. 3rd party models are gonna add £200/£300 extra over the MSRP and we might end up with a close to 1k for the 9070XT. Just look at Nvidia 99% of the models had £200 to £300 slapped over the MSRP which is disgusting

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Not normally, no (outside of the crypto boom), assuming AMD provide decent stock. If they do sell out, it takes longer and they tend to come back in quantity over a week or two.

I don't know, there have been some AMD launches referred to as "paper launches". The thing with AMD is that it quite often seems to be the case that buying early isn't a great idea as a few month down the line you seem to get sizeable enough price drops that you could end up kicking yourself.

 

[Tetras]

I don't know, there have been some AMD launches referred to as "paper launches". The thing with AMD is that it quite often seems to be the case that buying early isn't a great idea as a few month down the line you seem to get sizeable enough price drops that you could end up kicking yourself.

Yeah, that's true, they do like to fake launch stuff with decent stock coming even a month later

The dropped price thing very important too.

 

[uscool]

And the 5080 has possibly improved RT and DLSS which provide a fair bit of added value.

Hardly earth shattering while costing £1k + and will get worse down the stack you go , and if AMD leaks are true they have made pretty big improvement in RT closing the gap

If leaks are true with performance and priced well they'll eat up 5070, 5070ti and 5080 sales imo

 

[welshrat]

Holy cow, just looked at the prices of the 5080. lol thought they were coming in at super prices.

 

[aminegriffy]

Holy cow, just looked at the prices of the 5080. lol though they were coming in at super prices.

3rd party models charging over £200 over MSRP. Seriously madness, and that means that the 5070 is gonna cost min £700 LMAO

 

[VonScar]

3rd party models charging over £200 over MSRP. Seriously madness, and that means that the 5070 is gonna cost min £700 LMAO

You mean the RTX 5060, because that is really what it is.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Hardly earth shattering while costing £1k + and will get worse down the stack you go , and if AMD leaks are true they have made pretty big improvement in RT closing the gap

If leaks are true with performance and priced well they'll eat up 5070, 5070ti and 5080 sales imo

It would seem like they should, but hasn't happened in the past. The 7900XTX has always been competitive but I don't think it sold that much better than the competing Nvidia cards.
You've also got to get past the brand recognition.

 

[uscool]

It would seem like they should, but hasn't happened in the past. The 7900XTX has always been competitive but I don't think it sold that much better than the competing Nvidia cards.
You've also got to get past the brand recognition.

I don't care for past brand recognition, i want most for the money , they might have RT that's actually usable and Nvidia have hardly made improvement with 5070, 5070ti or 5080

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I don't care for past brand recognition, i want most for the money , they might have RT that's actually usable and Nvidia have hardly made improvement with 5070, 5070ti or 5080

Unless you're buying every graphics card this gen I don't think it matters what you want as far as the total sales go.

 

[Sumanji]

Because comparisons are made at MSRP price tiers, not by names or EOL prices and this has always been the case.
The 7800XT was indeed only 5% faster, but the 6800 XT had a $150 (30%) higher MSRP. So the 7800 XT offered a roughly 35% price to performance increase over a 6800 XT.

What you're essentially arguing is that the 7800XT should have been named the 7700XT, and that you should be comparing it to the similarly-priced 6700XT

This is AMD and they have just found out their up coming card is far closer to the 5080 than they expected and they like to price 50 less than Nvidia.... their renaming of the cards has backfired if they kept it as it was it would be priced agaisnt the 5080, this has backfired on them, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they tried to price it at 800 and a higher MSRP than the 5070ti because of how it performs.

As others have pointed out, the cards will likely be decently far behind the 5080. Pricing against that card would be suicide. They are doing (hopefully) the right thing in going toe-to-toe with the 5070/Ti.

Theres going to be little to no availability of a 5070ti at 750 they will be 800 minimum with most around 850.

What makes you confident there won't be similar levels of AIB mark-ups on the AMD cards? I would just assume the worst based on what we're seeing with the NV cards...

Nvidia have always dictated AMD pricing, AMD price to Nvidia they always have.

Sadly true.

You must be happy with the prospect of a 9060/XT being between £400-£500 then.

No one's happy about it, that's just the reality of the world we're in:

• Supply constraint from TSMC + competitors competing for the same capacity
• Margins 10-20x higher in alternate markets that have excess demand
• Low competition
• General inflationary environment
• Low consumer price sensitivity (our own fault)

We will not be getting 200 quid mid-range cards again for the foreseeable future

Holy cow, just looked at the prices of the 5080. lol thought they were coming in at super prices.

Yup, it's a complete joke...

ASUS reveals launch pricing for GeForce RTX 5090/5080, up to $3,099 for 5090 ROG ASTRAL LC - VideoCardz.com

ASUS ROG Astral at 40-50% higher price ASUS is the only board partner with an official update on which models will be available and at what price. Of course, ASUS is revealing suggested retail prices, but retailers may impose their own margins. Typically, this isn’t an issue immediately at...

videocardz.com

Also this ended up about as well as expected...

RTX 5090 Lottery in Japan ends in chaos: buyers climb fence of next-door kindergarten - VideoCardz.com

First victim of GeForce RTX 50 launch day is kindergarten sign All this could’ve been prevented by delaying the launch by a few weeks. The situation on RTX 50 launch day looks dire. It seems that the few people who manage to find the cards in stock online will either be powered by fast AI […]

videocardz.com

 

[aminegriffy]

Lottery for sought after items is normal especially in fashion. For example I had to enter a raffle that had 2 million + entries just to buy a Nike trainer.

 

[uscool]

Lottery for sought after items is normal especially in fashion. For example I had to enter a raffle that had 2 million + entries just to buy a Nike trainer.

Must be really special, fortunately have many options for trainers unlike GPU

 

[Boomstick777]

RTX 5080's selling for over £1300, some circa £2000 and AMD are supposed to come in with an amazing card for around £600, the goal posts for each brand aren't even on the same pitch.

 

[Mesai]

RTX 5080's selling for over £1300, some circa £2000 and AMD are supposed to come in with an amazing card for around £600, the goal posts for each brand aren't even on the same pitch.

It's a shame that people are entertaining these prices. Will encourage AMD to do the same.

The best time to buy will be months from now.

 

[kieran_read]

As others have pointed out, the cards will likely be decently far behind the 5080. Pricing against that card would be suicide. They are doing (hopefully) the right thing in going toe-to-toe with the 5070/Ti.


What makes you confident there won't be similar levels of AIB mark-ups on the AMD cards? I would just assume the worst based on what we're seeing with the NV cards...

The leaks are suggesting 4070ti for RT and close to 4080 in rasta. I agree AMD should go toe to toe with the 5070ti I find a potential 500-600 price point very attractive but... again... i can't stress this enough... this is AMD.

If you compare brands AMD tend to have more availability at MSRP than Nvidia at least going by the last couple of generations, especially Sapphire cards for AMD at least in the UK reference design cards were done by board partners. You will still have the Asus tax cards but I'd be more confident getting a MSRP or close to MSRP AMD GPU over Nvidia.