*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[Mercurial]

I'm at 1440p so I think I'll be okay also has the raw GPU power to give nice headroom at that resolution

Yes, I think at 1440p it'll be fine for a few years - moving to 4K may be an issue though.

I think the issue is the die size is quite a large monolithic die supposedly 390mm2 (rumors though), slightly larger than the 4080 and so to get the price point they need to skimp elsewhere, and really the only way for that to happen is to reduce the ram capacity.

That makes sense - it still all then comes down to price, and if the improved FSR4 and RT is important to the user, i'm still on the fence about RT personally, but it seems to be built-in to more games and this trend will likely continue. FSR4 may prove more useful if widely adopted and is as good as the hype.

 

[santa]

5080 Ti / Super would be easy - just take the full fat GB202 chip from the 5090 and disable some SMs

5070, similar approach, using the GB203 chip (which the Ti already uses).

From a gamer perspective there is clearly a sku missing, the one between the 5080 and 5090 that would essentially be a 4090 refresh which would tempt many into opening their wallet, flagship performance just a little late would be justifiable to many. It could exist at some point when badly binned GB202 stacks up enough, but I don't know if it will exist in numbers to satisfy gaming demand. The 5090 is already by quite a margin not the best bin of the GB202, in a sense the 5090 is where quite a lot of the chips go that underperform wherever the golden chips go for funny money. Nvidia is in an insanely comfortable position being able to offload a lower bin as their flagship consumer part like this.

 

[kieran_read]

Exactly. It will be near in performance to the 5070 Ti, not the 5080 like so many dream about, but likely still worse by a tier in RT and way more in PT not to mention all the other goodies it's missing that are Nvidia features. If they were to price it at $649 it would just be trash. Realistically they need to do $550 at most to really make a dent, unless they just don't plan to ship volume and want to drip feed them until UDNA.

Theres going to be little to no availability of a 5070ti at 750 they will be 800 minimum with most around 850.

650 would be fine and not trash, it won't be as amazing as the 579-600 that was being floated a few weeks ago but it would be fine and people would move to AMD.

At this level of the market people will buy what's available, if AMD can keep stocks replenished at close to the MSRP it will sell fine, its ridiculous to say it has to be 200 cheaper than the 5070ti to make a dent.

The only issue will be if AMD price it at 700 lower than that and it will be fine. Don't get me wrong there's a difference between being great and just fine, but to go as far as saying trash is just over the top.

 

[MyBrainz]

650-699 for a 70 tier card.. so Nvidia now dictating AMD pricing.

Some of you guys are getting proper sucked into these higher prices just because performance 'might' be close to a 5080

 

[kieran_read]

650-699 for a 70 tier card.. so Nvidia now dictating AMD pricing.

Some of you guys are getting proper sucked into these higher prices just because performance 'might' be close to a 5080

Hi I'm Kieran, nice to meet you and welcome to PC gaming nice to have you here...

Nvidia have always dictated AMD pricing, AMD price to Nvidia they always have. No ones getting suckered into anything, I'm still running a 1080ti.

Were anticipating how AMD will respond on their track record, no one has said prices are good or bad just how they will perform. (Well I've tried to avoid that anyway)

 

[StarShock]

I think anything much above 650 puts it too close to the 5070ti, or at least it's msrp, if amd want a clear win. A better deal than a bad deal doesn't make it good.
I feel like they have an opportunity here to really gain some mind share. If they get the price right, I can see the thumbnails now, big grin holding up a 9070xt big red arrow pointed at it "buy this one"

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Exactly. It will be near in performance to the 5070 Ti, not the 5080 like so many dream about, but likely still worse by a tier in RT and way more in PT not to mention all the other goodies it's missing that are Nvidia features. If they were to price it at $649 it would just be trash. Realistically they need to do $550 at most to really make a dent, unless they just don't plan to ship volume and want to drip feed them until UDNA.

AMD has to be a bit careful with pricing. Once the 3GB GDDR7 modules are easier to get,Nvidia could make a Super refresh by the end of the year once RTX4000 stock is finished. The last Super refresh might be one of the factors why AMD sales tanked last year.

 

[kieran_read]

I think anything much above 650 puts it too close to the 5070ti, or at least it's msrp, if amd want a clear win. A better deal than a bad deal doesn't make it good.
I feel like they have an opportunity here to really gain some mind share. If they get the price right, I can see the thumbnails now, big grin holding up a 9070xt big red arrow pointed at it "buy this one"

I 100% agree, but this is AMD we're talking about, they work for shareholders not us. I will be buying something the newly revealed 5080 prices has ruled that out.

Likely looking at a 7900xtx that's been reduced or a 9070xt. I'd love it to be sub 600 I just don't see it happening.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I 100% agree, but this is AMD we're talking about, they work for shareholders not us. I will be buying something the newly revealed 5080 prices has ruled that out.

Likely looking at a 7900xtx that's been reduced or a 9070xt. I'd love it to be sub 600 I just don't see it happening.

AMD need to stop looking at what Nvidia is doing. They need to offer a good performance jump over their current offerings.

30% over an RX7800XT gives you an RX7900XT/RTX4070TI. 30% over an RX7900GRE gives you almost an RX7900XTX/RTX4080.

They also need to sell upgrades to their own customers too. If their own customers won't think it's a good value uplift,those on Nvidia will be even less inclined to consider AMD.

 

[sx_turbo]

AMD has to be a bit careful with pricing. Once the 3GB GDDR7 modules are easier to get,Nvidia could make a Super refresh by the end of the year once RTX4000 stock is finished. The last Super refresh might be one of the factors why AMD sales tanked last year.

Regarding modules, I'm wondering if AMD could do a refresh later on and go for ddr6x modules to extract a bit more performance against the inevitable Nvidia super refresh next year.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Regarding modules, I'm wondering if AMD could do a refresh later on and go for ddr6x modules to extract a bit more performance against the inevitable Nvidia super refresh next year.

IIRC,GDDR6X is an exclusive to Nvidia?

 

[R3dRaven]

Now the prices have started to come out for the 5080, I fear the 5070Ti will be far more expensive than people originally thought.

All AMD have to do now is come into the market with sensible pricing and the market at 1440p is theirs for the taking.

Come on AMD do it for us gamers!

 

[sx_turbo]

IIRC,GDDR6X is an exclusive to Nvidia?

Now I've read more detail in the 6x modules it does not appear that they will make much of a difference anyway.

I'll take my comment back.

 

[SS-89]

AMD need to stop looking at what Nvidia is doing. They need to offer a good performance jump over their current offerings.

30% over an RX7800XT gives you an RX7900XT/RTX4070TI. 30% over an RX7900GRE gives you almost an RX7900XTX/RTX4080.

They also need to sell upgrades to their own customers too. If their own customers won't think it's a good value uplift,those on Nvidia will be even less inclined to consider AMD.

It really all is about pricing, £450 and you'll get quite good traction, anything more and I think will struggle

 

[uscool]

Regarding modules, I'm wondering if AMD could do a refresh later on and go for ddr6x modules to extract a bit more performance against the inevitable Nvidia super refresh next year.

Looking at the 50 series GDDR7 hasn't done much or anything, don't think memory bandwidth is the limiting factor

 

[kieran_read]

AMD need to stop looking at what Nvidia is doing. They need to offer a good performance jump over their current offerings.

30% over an RX7800XT gives you an RX7900XT/RTX4070TI. 30% over an RX7900GRE gives you almost an RX7900XTX/RTX4080.

They also need to sell upgrades to their own customers too. If their own customers won't think it's a good value uplift,those on Nvidia will be even less inclined to consider AMD.

I really wished they would, can you imagine if they launched the 9070xt in Jan at the rumoured £579 they would be laughing to the bank right now with these Nvidia reviews.

EDIT

It's like they actually managed to shoot themselves in the foot because they were trying not to shoot themselves in the foot, you actually can't make this **** up.

 

[ICDP]

Is it stable in all games? haven't tried with mine yet

I ended up settling on an undervolt and reduced power usage. It gives me 6% OC at 287W stable.

 

[McPhee]

Exactly. It will be near in performance to the 5070 Ti, not the 5080 like so many dream about, but likely still worse by a tier in RT and way more in PT not to mention all the other goodies it's missing that are Nvidia features. If they were to price it at $649 it would just be trash. Realistically they need to do $550 at most to really make a dent, unless they just don't plan to ship volume and want to drip feed them until UDNA.

I don't think anyone expects the 9070 XT to be close to the 5080?

But if the 9070 XT can keep up with the 4080 (which is plausible) then the 5080 only offers 10-15% more performance for (assuming a $649 price) 54% more money.

 

[MyBrainz]

Hi I'm Kieran, nice to meet you and welcome to PC gaming nice to have you here...

Nvidia have always dictated AMD pricing, AMD price to Nvidia they always have. No ones getting suckered into anything, I'm still running a 1080ti.

Were anticipating how AMD will respond on their track record, no one has said prices are good or bad just how they will perform. (Well I've tried to avoid that anyway)

What a stupid thing to say

You must be happy with the prospect of a 9060/XT being between £400-£500 then.

 

[kieran_read]

What a stupid thing to say

You must be happy with the prospect of a 9060/XT being between £400-£500 then.

Happy no, inevitable yes.

Your wants and desires wont change this.