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[GoogalyMoogaly]

I'm also left wondering, does Nvidia even care?
If AMD priced their cards really well would Nvidia feel the need to lower their prices or would they just leave it go and use lack of sales as a reason to dedicate more resource to its commercial AI business?

It feels like if AMD really do want to gain marketshare, Nvidia isn't bothered enough to try to stop them.

The question is what performance do AMD actually have and how much are they going to charge. It's not just about performance/price, performance by itself does matter.
You know if the 5090 had been released and was a little shy of 4070 performance but was only $175, it'd be great performance for the price but people do need/want a certain level of performance too.

 

[michty_me]

Anyone poked their head in the Nvidia 5000 series thread to see what the general consensus is or they all happy to be getting pumped dry?

 

[StarShock]

I'm also left wondering, does Nvidia even care?
If AMD priced their cards really well would Nvidia feel the need to lower their prices or would they just leave it go and use lack of sales as a reason to dedicate more resource to its commercial AI business?

It feels like if AMD really do want to gain marketshare, Nvidia isn't bothered enough to try to stop them.

The question is what performance do AMD actually have and how much are they going to charge. It's not just about performance/price, performance by itself does matter.
You know if the 5090 had been released and was a little shy of 4070 performance but was only $175, it'd be great performance for the price but people do need/want a certain level of performance too.

They did drop the price of the 4080 and 4070ti, at least they effectively did with the super range. Would like to think that was at least partially a response to amd price cuts on the 7900xt and gre launch

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

They did drop the price of the 4080 and 4070ti, at least they effectively did with the super range. Would like to think that was at least partially a response to amd price cuts on the 7900xt and gre launch

Yeah, but I feel each generation Nvidia seem to care a little less bout us gamers and the cheap little cards we scramble to buy.

 

[michty_me]

Anyone poked their head in the Nvidia 5000 series thread to see what the general consensus is or they all happy to be getting pumped dry?

I just did, all I'm seeing is some GPUs sold by OCUK were £150-£300 over what other retailers were selling and folk paying over £3k for an Asus Astral 5090. That's enough of reading in there.

 

[kieran_read]

I'm also left wondering, does Nvidia even care?
If AMD priced their cards really well would Nvidia feel the need to lower their prices or would they just leave it go and use lack of sales as a reason to dedicate more resource to its commercial AI business?

It feels like if AMD really do want to gain marketshare, Nvidia isn't bothered enough to try to stop them.

The question is what performance do AMD actually have and how much are they going to charge. It's not just about performance/price, performance by itself does matter.
You know if the 5090 had been released and was a little shy of 4070 performance but was only $175, it'd be great performance for the price but people do need/want a certain level of performance too.

At this point I don't think it matters, OCUK sold out on Asus 5080 Astronomically Priced edition for 1800.... 12 people bought a card that's slower than a 4090 for more money than a 4090 costs... (at least before the prices went back up)

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

At this point I don't think it matters, OCUK sold out on Asus 5080 Astronomically Priced edition for 1800.... 12 people bought a card that's slower than a 4090 for more money than a 4090 costs... (at least before the prices went back up)

What percentage of the 100+ million PC gamers is that? It won't even make a rounding error. There were people who camped outside stores for iPhones and Galaxy phones or bottles of alcohol.

Look on Steam - most of the cards are under £600. Nvidia sells more,because they have far more supply to system integrators too. If AMD made enough cards,sold them to system integrators for a decent price and got them into more pre-built systems their share would rise. Last year you could briefly spec an RTX4070 Super for the price of an RX7800XT in some systems!

 

[kieran_read]

What percentage of the 100+ million PC gamers is that? It won't even make a rounding error. There were people who camped outside stores for iPhones and Galaxy phones or bottles of alcohol.

Look on Steam - most of the cards are under £600. Nvidia sells more,because they have far more supply to system integrators too. If AMD made enough cards,sold them to system integrators for a decent price and got them into more pre-built systems their share would rise. Last year you could spec an RTX4070 Super for the price of an RX7800XT in somes systems!

This is true.

If I remember correctly the RX480 sold incredibly well when it launched at £250 (i know i bought one!)

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This is true.

If I remember correctly the RX480 sold incredibly well when it launched at £250 (i know i bought one!)

They were also much easier to find in pre-built systems too. AMD got to 30% sales share of the market according to JPR.

 

[mahius]

650-699 for a 70 tier card.. so Nvidia now dictating AMD pricing.

Some of you guys are getting proper sucked into these higher prices just because performance 'might' be close to a 5080

I don't think its folks getting 'sucked in' or wanting to pay these prices. It's just our speculation for what we expect AMD to realistically price at.
Personally I would want 9070XT to be no more than £550-600 ish and the 9070 to be no more than £400-450. Especially considering what 7800XT/7700XT launched at.
But Nvidia's poor performance and lack of competition (to AMD) makes me think AMD will realistically price much, much higher.
AMD are no better than Nvidia, look at CPUs. When they get the chance to do so, they do the same as any other company lacking competition.

I don't think anyone expects the 9070 XT to be close to the 5080?

But if the 9070 XT can keep up with the 4080 (which is plausible) then the 5080 only offers 10-15% more performance for (assuming a $649 price) 54% more money.

Exactly... heck if the terrible 5080s are selling out at early adopter (20%+ over RRP) markups... will the AMD launch of actually decent affordable GPUs have the same troubles as those starved of good upgrade options flock to AMD instead? We might see silly marked up prices from retailers having a laugh.

 

[gpuerrilla]

A certain auction site already has 163 listings for 5080's so it's a strong possibility, i suspect 100 of those is close to how many were allocated to the UK and 63 are people trying to sell pictures/photos of 5080's for £1k (i kid you not there are people trying to sell A4 paper photos of 5080's for £1000+).

I hope its a good thing that these scalpers and fomo lords pay the extra 2-300 markup for the first wave or two as it should reduce the number of people lining up each time. What I find interesting is the volume of people saying they are not interested or going to skip it and we have this plandemic level of interest for cards with only 15% uplift. It probably was the tiny paper launch supply that was the chief factor but disturbing all the same.

 

[ICDP]

I hope its a good thing that these scalpers and fomo lords pay the extra 2-300 markup for the first wave or two as it should reduce the number of people lining up each time. What I find interesting is the volume of people saying they are not interested or going to skip it and we have this plandemic level of interest for cards with only 15% uplift. It probably was the tiny paper launch supply that was the chief factor but disturbing all the same.

Agreed but don’t conflate the “interest” in these with “desirable” because the vast majority even in this forum and the tech press are calling them overpriced crap. The stock levels were utterly pitiful and less than a few thousand 5090s across the USA and considerably less than that in the UK.

Now we wait for AMD to price the 9070XT at $700 and the 9070 at $600 once the pitiful 5070Ti and 5070 are released.

Just as Nvidia won’t miss an opportunity to **** down your back and tell you it’s raining, AMD will never refuse an opportunity to miss an open goal.

 

[sx_turbo]

Here's hoping AMD have spent their extra time increasing the stock levels

 

[Bidley]

This thread and the 5000 series threads are almost like different forums.

One is full of people gleefully handing over £3k for 30% uplift, the other raging over the idea of paying £500 for something with no reviews, benchmarks or MSRP

 

[Mercurial]

This thread and the 5000 series threads are almost like different forums.

One is full of people gleefully handing over £3k for 30% uplift, the other raging over the idea of paying £500 for something with no reviews, benchmarks or MSRP

On a serious note; it's different attitudes and priorities to our hobby I think, and what is a luxury item. £2k-2.5K is new boiler money, or a decent first car.

For instance for own my circumstances, I just couldn't drop £1k+ on a new card, as i've kinda ended up as the free supply to my near adult/semi-adult kids who get the cast offs that means no resale so everything I spend is a sunk cost. So value and longevity is what I look for.

PS. I've also been around for a long time and seen the degradation of the "bang for buck" and what lack of competition and mindshare has done. I've also bought into enough hype and found it wanting, so have a clear set of priorities. There is no such thing as future proof and the cake is a lie.

Edit - sorry lots of edits

 

[Stanners]

Here's hoping AMD have spent their extra time increasing the stock levels

I would have thought it would be obvious that they will have more stock by delaying it a few months. Unless they completely stopped production.

 

[mahius]

Here's hoping AMD have spent their extra time increasing the stock levels

This.

Even if AMD pulls a miracle and prices very nicely, it's meaningless without stock for customers to buy at prices close to the RRP.

 

[Bidley]

Different attitudes and priorities to our hobby I think, and what is a luxury item. £2k-2.5K is new boiler money, or a decent first car.

For instance for own circumstances, I just couldn't drop £1k+ on a new card, as i've kinda ended up as the free supply to my near adult/semi-adult kids who get the cast offs that means no resale so everything I spend is a sunk cost. So value and longevity is what I look for.

PS. I've also been around for a long time and seen the degradation of the "bang for buck" and what lack of competition and mindshare has done. I've also bought into enough hype and found it wanting, so have a clear set of priorities. There is no such thing a future proof and the cake is a lie.

I just thought it was funny!

I consider everything I spend on a new shiny as sunk cost, any other way is a fallacy IMO. Buying something with an eye on resale value is such a flawed coping mechanism it's untrue - you just end up spending more.

Believe me, I'm a guitarist and the same thing happens on guitar forums - people justify £3-4k on a Les Paul Standard because it "retains it's value". The difference between that and consumer electronics is that a guitar is nearly always just as good in 30 years as the day you bought it

 

[Mercurial]

I just thought it was funny!

I consider everything I spend on a new shiny as sunk cost, any other way is a fallacy IMO. Buying something with an eye on resale value is such a flawed coping mechanism it's untrue - you just end up spending more.

Believe me, I'm a guitarist and the same thing happens on guitar forums - people justify £3-4k on a Les Paul Standard because it "retains it's value". The difference between that and consumer electronics is that a guitar is nearly always just as good in 30 years as the day you bought it

Hehe yep, it is a funny observation - I have friends with a similar attitude (funnily enough guitars as well), tech hardware just doesn't have the same caché.

Edit - the eye on the resale value is flawed as you say (or very, very rarely) works.

 

[Sumanji]

I would have thought it would be obvious that they will have more stock by delaying it a few months.

Yes, hopefully... but IF they're in the scenario where they are rejigging SKUs it'd involve a bunch of reverse logistics and associated mess that might impact day 1 stock.