*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[StarShock]

I honestly can't tell anymore if people are doing it for the joke or not... raster, unless my gpu has dreadlocks it's probably not a rasta

 

[kieran_read]

I honestly can't tell anymore if people are doing it for the joke or not... raster, unless my gpu has dreadlocks it'd probably not a rasta

I can't resist now it's a habbit XD

Me love me rasta man,

Also it's because I got a new phone and I can't be bothered to fight with autocorrect when I override it just keeps doing it.

 

[sx_turbo]

Are AMD cards usually hard to get against release day ? I just witness the 5080 selling out within 1 min on every single retailer in the country. It's not giving me strong hopes for the 9070 since I will be going for it

I don't even know why as they aren't that great a card, all the review critics have panned it and said don't bother and yet people still shelling over 1k for a card that's mediocre for it's performance/ price ratio.

I get it if people been waiting to upgrade their GPU for a while and are still on a 1080 or something.

 

[StarShock]

I don't even know why as they aren't that great a card, all the review critics have panned it and said don't bother and yet people still shelling over 1k for a card that's mediocre for it's performance/ price ratio.

I get it if people been waiting to upgrade their GPU for a while and are still on a 1080 or something.

Honestly, probably a mix of very little stock, fomo and scalpers.

If there are only a few hundred cards floating around then it doesn't take much to make it look like a feeding frenzy

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

RTX 5080's selling for over £1300, some circa £2000 and AMD are supposed to come in with an amazing card for around £600, the goal posts for each brand aren't even on the same pitch.

Because none of us care what a bunch of FOMO whales pay. Just because FOMO people paid £600+ for an RTX3060TI,didn't mean I had to either and I got mine for RRP. I waited six months for an RX6700XT but it was £100 more. The same goes for my RX5700XT which I got for a good price.

An RX7900XT is only 30% faster than an RX7800XT,which is what an RX9070 is meant to be. So do you think a £600+ RX9070 non-XT,which offers zero price/performance improvement on a 2022 RX7800XT is OK? Why because Nvidia??

No wonder PC gaming is going down the drain. It's bad enough PCMR made excuses for broken games and microtransactions. All we got is more broken AAA games.

Now,gamers have fully accepted Turing level shrinkflation,as long as their favourite team does it. It's honestly Stockholm Syndrome with PC gamers nowadays. Some of the weakest consumers in the world must be gamers. All these companies must be laughing their arses off at how gullible many are!

Even the console people seem to have more gumption nowadays,looking at how much criticism Sony got or how XBox is failing.

 

[kieran_read]

I don't even know why as they aren't that great a card, all the review critics have panned it and said don't bother and yet people still shelling over 1k for a card that's mediocre for it's performance/ price ratio.

I get it if people been waiting to upgrade their GPU for a while and are still on a 1080 or something.

Im still on a 1080ti don't put me in that category!!! I'm waiting till March to see what happens with AMD I've waited 7 years I can wait 2 months.

I suspect it's a lot to do with scalpers

 

[Murphy]

I suspect it's a lot to do with scalpers

A certain auction site already has 163 listings for 5080's so it's a strong possibility, i suspect 100 of those is close to how many were allocated to the UK and 63 are people trying to sell pictures/photos of 5080's for £1k (i kid you not there are people trying to sell A4 paper photos of 5080's for £1000+).

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I don't even know why as they aren't that great a card, all the review critics have panned it and said don't bother and yet people still shelling over 1k for a card that's mediocre for it's performance/ price ratio.

I get it if people been waiting to upgrade their GPU for a while and are still on a 1080 or something.

Because whales are whales. Fanbois are fanbois. Scalpers are scalpers. We shouldn't be judging price/performance on FOMO crowd,those who look at tech companies like a religion or quick buck makers.

It's like saying energy prices are fine because one company charges 1% less than the other.

A certain auction site already has 163 listings for 5080's so it's a strong possibility, i suspect 100 of those is close to how many were allocated to the UK and 63 are people trying to sell pictures/photos of 5080's for £1k (i kid you not there are people trying to sell A4 paper photos of 5080's for £1000+).

PCMR logic - it's quite clear they might sell for more to the FOMO crowd,so the RRP of the RTX5080 is too low. Nvidia needs to charge more!

Let's start dGPU prices at £500 for an RX9060 and RTX5050 because the FOMO crowd will pay it.

Sarcasm\.

 

[mahius]

Let me build on this and combine it with my theory from earlier:

• They add in a heavily clocked new XTX SKU with increased power limits, which can nip at the heels of the 5080 (should be as simple as a new BIOS, since the AIB cards already seem "overbuilt" with 3 x 8-pin connectors etc. This would allow them to raise the price to ~$750 (i.e., same price as 5070 Ti, with decently better performance) - could even be a 24GB model down the line if GDDR6 3GB modules are available?
• The existing XT remains as-is, or perhaps takes a slight downclock so it's level with the 5070 Ti but comes in at ~$650 (i.e., same performance as the Ti, but >$100 cheaper)
• The vanilla 9070 is similarly tweaked to spank the vanilla 5070 and is priced similarly at ~$550
• The 9060 XT could then be ~$450 and go head to head on performance with the 5070 vanilla

This would, of course, force NV's hand into releasing Super models much more quickly...

Good theory, but the prices seem too optimistic now, with how bad the 5080 is. Add at least $100 to those predictions, cos AMD smells bigger profit margins.
Whoever made the comment about AMD tripping over themselves over wanting to price high and tripping over again when the rumoured high pricing seemed in line, was right.
AMD just didn't expect to be competing with a $1k Nvidia GPU this gen...

Let's settle down a little, this is AMD they have 2 months to **** this up.

Looking at reviews of the 5080 a 9070xt at 600 would destroy everything and is a market leading, marketshare growing price....

This is AMD and they have just found out their up coming card is far closer to the 5080 than they expected and they like to price 50 less than Nvidia.... their renaming of the cards has backfired if they kept it as it was it would be priced agaisnt the 5080, this has backfired on them, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they tried to price it at 800 and a higher MSRP than the 5070ti because of how it performs.

Don't get me wrong if they price at 600 it's a mega deal (if leaked charts are true) and would be a game changer I think personally at best we get 699, realistically being that it's AMD i suspect they will push it to 750-800 with 700 on a deal.

That's my prediction.

Exactly my fears. AMD could destroy Nvidia by pricing 9700XT at max 600... but is more likely to let that opportunity slide by pricing in line with what is shaping up to be Nvidia's worst GPU generation in a long time, if not ever.

Ugh... the wait for this deciding factor is made ever more difficult by Nvidia giving AMD this massive of an opportunity to gain marketshare.
And we all know what they say about opportunities and AMDs GPU division...

 

[Phixsator]

It all comes down to if Jack Huynh has learned anything from the failures of Scott Heckleman

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I'm also left wondering, does Nvidia even care?
If AMD priced their cards really well would Nvidia feel the need to lower their prices or would they just leave it go and use lack of sales as a reason to dedicate more resource to its commercial AI business?

It feels like if AMD really do want to gain marketshare, Nvidia isn't bothered enough to try to stop them.

The question is what performance do AMD actually have and how much are they going to charge. It's not just about performance/price, performance by itself does matter.
You know if the 5090 had been released and was a little shy of 4070 performance but was only $175, it'd be great performance for the price but people do need/want a certain level of performance too.

 

[michty_me]

Anyone poked their head in the Nvidia 5000 series thread to see what the general consensus is or they all happy to be getting pumped dry?

 

[StarShock]

I'm also left wondering, does Nvidia even care?
If AMD priced their cards really well would Nvidia feel the need to lower their prices or would they just leave it go and use lack of sales as a reason to dedicate more resource to its commercial AI business?

It feels like if AMD really do want to gain marketshare, Nvidia isn't bothered enough to try to stop them.

The question is what performance do AMD actually have and how much are they going to charge. It's not just about performance/price, performance by itself does matter.
You know if the 5090 had been released and was a little shy of 4070 performance but was only $175, it'd be great performance for the price but people do need/want a certain level of performance too.

They did drop the price of the 4080 and 4070ti, at least they effectively did with the super range. Would like to think that was at least partially a response to amd price cuts on the 7900xt and gre launch

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

They did drop the price of the 4080 and 4070ti, at least they effectively did with the super range. Would like to think that was at least partially a response to amd price cuts on the 7900xt and gre launch

Yeah, but I feel each generation Nvidia seem to care a little less bout us gamers and the cheap little cards we scramble to buy.

 

[michty_me]

Anyone poked their head in the Nvidia 5000 series thread to see what the general consensus is or they all happy to be getting pumped dry?

I just did, all I'm seeing is some GPUs sold by OCUK were £150-£300 over what other retailers were selling and folk paying over £3k for an Asus Astral 5090. That's enough of reading in there.

 

[kieran_read]

I'm also left wondering, does Nvidia even care?
If AMD priced their cards really well would Nvidia feel the need to lower their prices or would they just leave it go and use lack of sales as a reason to dedicate more resource to its commercial AI business?

It feels like if AMD really do want to gain marketshare, Nvidia isn't bothered enough to try to stop them.

The question is what performance do AMD actually have and how much are they going to charge. It's not just about performance/price, performance by itself does matter.
You know if the 5090 had been released and was a little shy of 4070 performance but was only $175, it'd be great performance for the price but people do need/want a certain level of performance too.

At this point I don't think it matters, OCUK sold out on Asus 5080 Astronomically Priced edition for 1800.... 12 people bought a card that's slower than a 4090 for more money than a 4090 costs... (at least before the prices went back up)

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

At this point I don't think it matters, OCUK sold out on Asus 5080 Astronomically Priced edition for 1800.... 12 people bought a card that's slower than a 4090 for more money than a 4090 costs... (at least before the prices went back up)

What percentage of the 100+ million PC gamers is that? It won't even make a rounding error. There were people who camped outside stores for iPhones and Galaxy phones or bottles of alcohol.

Look on Steam - most of the cards are under £600. Nvidia sells more,because they have far more supply to system integrators too. If AMD made enough cards,sold them to system integrators for a decent price and got them into more pre-built systems their share would rise. Last year you could briefly spec an RTX4070 Super for the price of an RX7800XT in some systems!

 

[kieran_read]

What percentage of the 100+ million PC gamers is that? It won't even make a rounding error. There were people who camped outside stores for iPhones and Galaxy phones or bottles of alcohol.

Look on Steam - most of the cards are under £600. Nvidia sells more,because they have far more supply to system integrators too. If AMD made enough cards,sold them to system integrators for a decent price and got them into more pre-built systems their share would rise. Last year you could spec an RTX4070 Super for the price of an RX7800XT in somes systems!

This is true.

If I remember correctly the RX480 sold incredibly well when it launched at £250 (i know i bought one!)

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This is true.

If I remember correctly the RX480 sold incredibly well when it launched at £250 (i know i bought one!)

They were also much easier to find in pre-built systems too. AMD got to 30% sales share of the market according to JPR.

 

[mahius]

650-699 for a 70 tier card.. so Nvidia now dictating AMD pricing.

Some of you guys are getting proper sucked into these higher prices just because performance 'might' be close to a 5080

I don't think its folks getting 'sucked in' or wanting to pay these prices. It's just our speculation for what we expect AMD to realistically price at.
Personally I would want 9070XT to be no more than £550-600 ish and the 9070 to be no more than £400-450. Especially considering what 7800XT/7700XT launched at.
But Nvidia's poor performance and lack of competition (to AMD) makes me think AMD will realistically price much, much higher.
AMD are no better than Nvidia, look at CPUs. When they get the chance to do so, they do the same as any other company lacking competition.

I don't think anyone expects the 9070 XT to be close to the 5080?

But if the 9070 XT can keep up with the 4080 (which is plausible) then the 5080 only offers 10-15% more performance for (assuming a $649 price) 54% more money.

Exactly... heck if the terrible 5080s are selling out at early adopter (20%+ over RRP) markups... will the AMD launch of actually decent affordable GPUs have the same troubles as those starved of good upgrade options flock to AMD instead? We might see silly marked up prices from retailers having a laugh.