*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[uscool]

Yes, because i honestly couldn’t give a **** about ray tracing.

A card of that calibre/performance isnt enough to play a lot of games with ray tracing enabled at 1440p. Loads of games drop under 60fps with RT on on a 4070ti/ti super level card so i'm not all that interested. Unless it is going to miraculously match the 4090 or 5090 in RT, it isnt worth considering that much for me.

I'm also not entirely convinced by frame generation yet either, but i can see some merit so that would be a bonus. It does sometimes feel like an excuse to not really push the boundaries in actual performance though these days.

I'm not interested in frame generation either , but can get behind upscaling most times now you'll find it difficult to notice the difference and AMD bringing hardware upscaling

It's not matching 4090-5090 totally different pricing levels, how's the 4070 ti super RT with dlss quality at 1440p ?
4070ti super level RT with good upscaling should be more than playable at 1440p

If it's around £600-£650 I think that would be decent something that's actually playable with RT

 

[kieran_read]

quick question, if the MSRP was say £600 for the 9070XT, how much extra would you deem acceptable for an AIB?

I still think that £600 is not mainstream, I’d say £400-£550 is actually mainstream (0060/0070)

For AIBs putting on AIO etc I can a bigger cost, but if MSRP was £600, AIBs charging £750+ for a slightly upgraded cooler and a factory OC just show contempt for the consumer.

If I recall the AMD reference models are actually of good quality now, decent coolers and aesthetics. Long gone are the 290x ref blower days!

I'd pay up to around 700 for one

I'd would divide AIBs into 4 levels.
Based on 599 entry price for the AMD reference model.
600-650 basic AIB entry models
650-700 AIB OC models
700-750 AIB premium models (your nitro x)
750-850 AIB super premium the ones that with a waterblock etc.

my preference would be 699 for a Nitro X card but if not I'd want to pay 599 for an entry model, I wouldn't want to pay 700 for a reference model.

 

[MyBrainz]

If you don't use FSR at all, I assume the person buying the card isn't interested in top end AAA gaming, so i wouldn't suggest they be looking at brand new GPU's at release

This is me, I only play one game and that one game is DayZ that has none of this tech.

Was chatting to a mate about GPU's yesterday, he has a 7900XTX. He prefers the brute force approach instead of all the fancy software tricks, which is what I'm looking for in my next upgrade.

I may be interested in GTA 6 when it arrives and future Bohemia Interactive titles like DayZ 2 may use FSR/DLSS/FG but I want a card for the here and now.

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I would have stuck to a gen behind for GPU's like I've started to do with CPU's but the prices dont seem to be coming down at a similar rate as processors do when the next gens release.

GPU market is just a joke now, average gamers dont spend more than £500 on a GPU yet they're going to call the 9070 series mid tier at the rumoured £750+?

Honestly hope AMD surprise us here but I cant see it happening, as said earlier in this thread, GPU market needs a reset.. Intel may tempt me but right now the B580 is basically a sidegrade for my 3060Ti

 

[isvik]

Seeing as how every Tom, Dick and Harry is giving their opinion on what the 9070 and 9070XT might cost, I thought it only fair to ask an LLM what they thought.

Llama3.1 8B local model in Msty:

Me: "When does AMD release the 9070XT graphics card"
It gave a very accurate reply about the announcement on Feb 28th and said the actual launch would be early March at the earliest or by late April at the latest.

Me: "Speculate as to how much in pound sterling it will cost to buy the 9070XT graphics card when it is launched in early March 2025"

Llama3.1: "Speculative Pricing Based on Precedents and AMD's Position
Considering AMD's positioning in the market, their competitors (NVIDIA), and historical price trends for top-tier graphics cards, I'll provide a speculative pricing estimate:

• Non-XT version: around £599 - £649 GBP
• RX 9070 XT high-end variant: approximately £699 - £799 GBP"

That was all the information I gave it about the cards. Seems the internet thinks these are top-tier cards, lol

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry really regarding the the whole upscaling thing.

I don't recall it getting a great reception when Nvidia first launched it, fake pixels and all that, but I think there was some thinking along the lines that it would be nice as an option to allow the older generation or cards to play newer games so we could extend the time between upgrading. However in the space of 3-4 generations we seem to have got to the point where we're now saying that it's required for the newest generation (so new most of it hasn't been released yet) to play current games. It didn't take us long to accept that did it?
I guess in a couple of generations someone will say they don't want to use frame generation and get told that if they don't want to use frame gen then they can't want to play current games, and if they don't want to play current games why are they even buying a new GPU...

So this whole 32GB rumour...
I would've been interested in a 3SGB version. Not that I need a 32GB version, but 16GB in 2025 just feels a little, I dunno, short-sighted? But it seems like they've dismissed the idea anyway. Or they just don't want to talk about it yet and so are using humour to deflect from it.

AMD say they're delaying because of software, but it seems to me that it's just so they can find out the price/performance of the 5070/5070Ti and they can't even be honest about it. All this speculation about price on X and Frank is active on X, yet he hasn't given any prices yet? Sure maybe it's just they they really don't want to until the announcement (but Frank did come out and say the will be no 32GB 9070 XT, which they could also have saved until the announcement), but I think it's because they can't because even AMD don't know what the prices of the 9070 and 9070 XT are at the minute!

 

[humbug]

Seeing as how every Tom, Dick and Harry is giving their opinion on what the 9070 and 9070XT might cost, I thought it only fair to ask an LLM what they thought.

Llama3.1 8B local model in Msty:

Me: "When does AMD release the 9070XT graphics card"
It gave a very accurate reply about the announcement on Feb 28th and said the actual launch would be early March at the earliest or by late April at the latest.

Me: "Speculate as to how much in pound sterling it will cost to buy the 9070XT graphics card when it is launched in early March 2025"

Llama3.1: "Speculative Pricing Based on Precedents and AMD's Position
Considering AMD's positioning in the market, their competitors (NVIDIA), and historical price trends for top-tier graphics cards, I'll provide a speculative pricing estimate:

• Non-XT version: around £599 - £649 GBP
• RX 9070 XT high-end variant: approximately £699 - £799 GBP"

That was all the information I gave it about the cards. Seems the internet thinks these are top-tier cards, lol

The 5070 Ti might be £850 minimum given that the 5080 which was supposed to be $1000 and they are actually £1200 minimum. +£100 over MSRP seems almost reasonable give the +£200 for the 5080.

So the 5070 Ti is £50 or £100 more, i think for £750 or £800 the 9070 XT needs to be better than the 5070 Ti, i think its going to be a little better in raster and a little worse in RT and for that its too expensive.

AMD also need to be careful because i think what Nvidia will actually do is make sure there are plenty available at £750, not £850 tho some models of course will be but to pee on AMD's campfire and to make them look like fools they will have serval model with plenty of stock at £750.

AMD need to stop ******* about trying to guess Nvidia and maximise price to the absolute limit of what they think they can charge against Nvidia, just set a price that's attractive.

These are just rumours but again this is starting to look like the 7900 XT all over again...

 

[Grim5]

A person was able to buy a Saphire Nitro 9070XT early, it cost $962USD

AMD Radeon RX 9070 and 9070 XT Listed On Amazon - One Buyer Snags a Unit

We live in crazy times, that's for sure. We have already witnessed a plethora of listings for AMD's RX 9070 and RX 9070 XT GPUs - both set to hit shelves early next month - indicating a decent value proposition compared to NVIDIA's RTX 5070 family, if the leaks and rumors are anything to go by...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[harmattan]

We all had hopes, but I think we all knew it would ultimately end up here... it looks like AMD will carry the torch lit by nV of nullifying the price/performance improvements. Sub 7900xtx performance for £750.... RDNA4 is toast.

First generation in history where we're seeing zero price/performance improvement (or even negative). Sad days indeed.

 

[SkeeterUK]

Well rdna 4 was never really meant to be anything special its just rdna 3 but improved a bit i think i heard was said about it or something like that. The next one is the one to watch for rdna5 or that unified one that i think is coming after rdna4.

 

[adidan]

I wouldn't take *elsewhere* prices as gospel.

They can fluctuate wildly even with available goods and considering it shouldn't even be possible to buy it yet it should go in the 'maybe but no real idea' pile.

 

[Jono8]

Well rdna 4 was never really meant to be anything special

Well, it should be priced as such then.

If AMD release it at over £700, people are just going to buy the 5070ti. The card wouldnt even have the vram advantage that the 7900xt and xtx had over the 4070ti and 4080.

It's like AMD don't want market share.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

Then thing is, its got to have suitably HIGHER performance than the Nvidia competition at the same price, or similar performance at a much lower price to win back marketshare. Whether AMD like it or not, Nvidia offers features they have now had time to mature, whereas FSR4 for example is thier (AMD's) first attempt at AI enhanced upscaling.
I really want AMD to get this right and price well, but I've got a real vibe they're gonna screw it up, and the people paying top money over COVID etc has really blinded them to what 'mainstream' prices are.

A graphics card that alone costs as much as a PS5 Pro is NOT mainstream, but I think they've lost sight of that, and they keep thinking they can charge the same as the competition, when we all know Nvidia throws a LOT of software engineers at new games, and features, that sometimes take AMD quite some time to reach parity on.

If they release at £400 9070 /500 9070 XT, they're in an excellent position to take market share, if its £500/600 thats not bad, but if its 600/700+, they've truly lost sight of mainstream, going by previous retoric of wanting to appeal to mainstream gamers.

Significantly more than 7800XT pricing is NOT mainstream.

 

[Jono8]

Then thing is, its got to have suitably HIGHER performance than the Nvidia competition at the same price, or similar performance at a much lower price to win back marketshare. Whether AMD like it or not, Nvidia offers features they have now had time to mature, whereas FSR4 for example is thier first attempt at AI enhanced upscaling.
I really want AMD to get this right and price well, but I've got a real vibe they're gonna screw it up, and the people paying top money over COVID etc has really blinded them to what 'mainstream' prices are.

A graphics card that alone costs as much as a PS5 Pro is NOT mainstream, but I think they've lost sight of that.

And they aren't even throwing in more vram than Nvidia this time either!

Looks like a card that's going to have no redeeming features/anything that sets it apart from the competition.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

Yeah, part of me still hopes they're monitoring online reception, if its ANYTHING more than 699 for the XT, then I think they've truly lost sight of mainstream, realistically it should be 500/600 max to be classed as a mainstream barnstormer and even thats on the high side, given the console pricing and optimisation consoles come with.

Whether they like it, Nvidia has the mainstream mindshare, they need to do something significant to disrupt that, like back in the 4870 era.

Honestly I want to give them a try, and hope they do this right, I've been impressed by my wife's 7900XT and a tweaked, improved one of those was right up my street at the right price, but if AMD price as though they're Nvidia here, I'm just going to go for the best all round performance and feature set, and whether AMD like that or not, that's often Nvidia; for example how long was NVENC encoding superior to AMDs, then there is RTX HDR, or DLSS. I prefer native resolution over upscaling, but it doesn't mean I don't want the feature to exist, even as essentially a better scaler.

AMD can still get my money, but they've got to remember just because I can afford a 5080 (or even a 4090/5090), it doesn't mean I WANT to and offering a relatively poor pricing proposition will not help me choose them. They've drastically lost market share, they've GOT to start doing 'LOOK AT ME' things to win new buyers back over, especially now that Intel has started eating a small part of thier marketshare too; and if that means they have to shave margin to move higher volume, then sobeit. AMD/ATI of old seemed to understand this, whomever is in charge of AMD GPU pricing in recent years feels like they're borderline an Nvidia covert placement.

 

[Bidley]

I see the graph has taken another downward spiral

Roll on the 28th.

 

[t2na]

I see the graph has taken another downward spiral

Roll on the 28th.

I genuinely can't keep up at this point with keeping it updated. It's like Mumsnet in here at times.

 

[Besty]

Yeah, part of me still hopes they're monitoring online reception, if its ANYTHING more than 699 for the XT, then I think they've truly lost sight of mainstream, realistically it should be 500/600 max to be classed as a mainstream barnstormer and even thats on the high side, given the console pricing and optimisation consoles come with.

 

[SkeeterUK]

The pic above forgot to put, and it still cant run cyberpunk with full on RT and have 100fps at 1440p.

 

[Besty]

The pic above forgot to put, and it still cant run cyberpunk with full on RT and have 100fps at 1440p.

Its gonna be close though, with FSR4.0+FG enabled. 85-90fps lets see.

 

[humbug]

A person was able to buy a Saphire Nitro 9070XT early, it cost $962USD

AMD Radeon RX 9070 and 9070 XT Listed On Amazon - One Buyer Snags a Unit

We live in crazy times, that's for sure. We have already witnessed a plethora of listings for AMD's RX 9070 and RX 9070 XT GPUs - both set to hit shelves early next month - indicating a decent value proposition compared to NVIDIA's RTX 5070 family, if the leaks and rumors are anything to go by...

www.techpowerup.com

Right so $950, if you're spending that much why not just pony up another $200 and get the 5080?