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Hopefully comparing it to the 7900gre means it's that pricing, they also compared 9070 none xt but can't see it being above 5070 MSRP

At £549 that's quite a difference to 5070ti £700+ if talking MSRP also would make it much better buy over 5070

Excited to see all the reviews close together
 
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We've already seen 5080 stock improve on AIB models and they don't sell out immediately. The only direction for them is down in terms of price and up in terms of availability.

That's literally the opposite to what Nvidia has been doing for years, with their CEO repeating in interviews since 3k series that they aren't in the market of dropping prices, they rather limit supply. Nothing changed since, but people seem to have very short memories, still. Currently the only direction of Nvidia prices are up, never down.

My point was that AMD needs to gain some significant market share.

And they claim they want to. But corporate greed is a thing. I really hope that switched their approach but they don't have a good track record of that.

You also have to consider what availability will be like on these if they're priced well, we could see a situation where they're not easy to get hold of at MSRP for a few months.

This is big problem with modern "just in time" approach of corporations and supply. Nintendo delayed switch 2 release to have a very good supply apparently, so scalpers wouldn't have a chance of messing up the market. That's the proper approach but sadly very rare, still.
 
That's literally the opposite to what Nvidia has been doing for years, with their CEO repeating in interviews since 3k series that they aren't in the market of dropping prices, they rather limit supply. Nothing changed since, but people seem to have very short memories, still. Currently the only direction of Nvidia prices are up, never down.

Not quite, the 4080 Super eventually saw discounts and availability absolutely improved after the initial launch period. We're talking about within the lifecycle of a series, not the price jump to the next generation. Retailers have to move cards, and as we've already seen with the 5080, they won't sell out immediately if the price is too high. They can get away with it for the first few months because of FOMO, but that wears off as more and more people get their hands on one. Once the queues are cleared and you have 10+ of a model in stock, they won't be able to add a few hundred to the price. The 5090 is the only card with significant AI demands, but it's not in competition with these AMD products.

And they claim they want to. But corporate greed is a thing. I really hope that switched their approach but they don't have a good track record of that.

Agreed, this is my concern with history repeating itself.

This is big problem with modern "just in time" approach of corporations and supply. Nintendo delayed switch 2 release to have a very good supply apparently, so scalpers wouldn't have a chance of messing up the market. That's the proper approach but sadly very rare, still.

We can only hope.
 
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Not quite, the 4080 Super eventually saw discounts
4080 never saw any discounts, didn't sell well as it was way too expensive, so they had to release 4080 Super that's the same card but cheaper. However, details matter - it wasn't a price drop of 4080, it was a new product with lower price. That's the view they work hard to uphold - they do not drop prices, they might release new cheaper product, but do not drop prices. Jensen was very clear about it in the few interviews I've seen few years back. It's about brand image, long term one. Lowering prices devalues them in the eyes of customers, so they will just not do that. And look at the 5080 price/performance... 4080S sold well enough, so they learned that it would be a perfect price for 5080 and here we are. I shall also remind here that 5070Ti doesn't have FE version - it's AIB only, there's no FE MSRP for it. Actually, all prices NVIDIA mentioned aren't really MSRP (that's just media and people unable to read properly it seems) - they're all shown on their website as "Starting at" which isn't MSRP, technically speaking. FE cards have their own pricing, but since only NVIDIA sells them, that's not MSRP, that's just FE price.

and availability absolutely improved after the initial launch period.
It did, but prices didn't move. FE also took quite a while to get there. However, currently they rebranded themselves as an AI company, not gaming one (as evidenced in their own words and on their website). Huge majority of production goes to the AI market, gamers get (relatively speaking) scraps only.

We're talking about within the lifecycle of a series, not the price jump to the next generation. Retailers have to move cards, and as we've already seen with the 5080, they won't sell out immediately if the price is too high.
Retailers can drop prices at a loss, just to move inventory. It doesn't mean NVIDIA dropped any prices - they do not do that.

They can get away with it for the first few months because of FOMO, but that wears off as more and more people get their hands on one. Once the queues are cleared and you have 10+ of a model in stock, they won't be able to add a few hundred to the price.
Likely one of the reasons NVIDIA keeps supply low, to prevent too quick market saturation. They openly used the same tactic with 4k series to sell 3k series first - though currently they already got rid of the 4k series, so it should be better in theory. But, again, AI products are the huge priority.

The 5090 is the only card with significant AI demands, but it's not in competition with these AMD products.
Enterprise market soaks almost all of the production, 5090 isn't part of that market. Prosumers will stull vacuum it out for many months to come, though.

My point being, nothing we see NVIDIA doing here is new, nor unexpected - it's the same exact story since 3k series, so we can easily predict how it will go.
 
Not quite, the 4080 Super eventually saw discounts and availability absolutely improved after the initial launch period. We're talking about within the lifecycle of a series, not the price jump to the next generation. Retailers have to move cards, and as we've already seen with the 5080, they won't sell out immediately if the price is too high. They can get away with it for the first few months because of FOMO, but that wears off as more and more people get their hands on one. Once the queues are cleared and you have 10+ of a model in stock, they won't be able to add a few hundred to the price. The 5090 is the only card with significant AI demands, but it's not in competition with these AMD products.

Yeh. Honestly i think the 5080 is going to struggle to sell (relatively speaking) once the hype dies down. I mean, it's only ~10-15% faster than the 5070ti and has the same vram.

Once prices die down, the 5070ti is going to be a much more attractive proposition at its RRP (compared to the 5080).
 
4080 never saw any discounts, didn't sell well as it was way too expensive, so they had to release 4080 Super that's the same card but cheaper. However, details matter - it wasn't a price drop of 4080, it was a new product with lower price. That's the view they work hard to uphold - they do not drop prices, they might release new cheaper product, but do not drop prices. Jensen was very clear about it in the few interviews I've seen few years back. It's about brand image, long term one. Lowering prices devalues them in the eyes of customers, so they will just not do that. And look at the 5080 price/performance... 4080S sold well enough, so they learned that it would be a perfect price for 5080 and here we are. I shall also remind here that 5070Ti doesn't have FE version - it's AIB only, there's no FE MSRP for it. Actually, all prices NVIDIA mentioned aren't really MSRP (that's just media and people unable to read properly it seems) - they're all shown on their website as "Starting at" which isn't MSRP, technically speaking. FE cards have their own pricing, but since only NVIDIA sells them, that's not MSRP, that's just FE price.

I didn't say the 4080 had discounts, I said the 4080 super did, please read what I say instead of going your usual way with walls of text going off on tangents.

It did, but prices didn't move. FE also took quite a while to get there. However, currently they rebranded themselves as an AI company, not gaming one (as evidenced in their own words and on their website). Huge majority of production goes to the AI market, gamers get (relatively speaking) scraps only.

Retailer prices did move with availability, you can't keep scalping a product with hundreds added on once stock is sitting there. 4080 Super hasn't been affected much by the AI market due to its VRAM.

Retailers can drop prices at a loss, just to move inventory. It doesn't mean NVIDIA dropped any prices - they do not do that.

I never said this was just about nVidia lowering prices. I was talking about the prices of the cards coming down from their current levels.

The question to you is pretty simple really, if you think prices are only going to go up from here, that means either a price increase to the FE cards from nVidia, or retailers a few months from now selling/pricing cards above their current scalped rates?
 
Holy moly AMD is cleaning warehouses atm. The 7900 XTX can be had for about 600 quid now before tax in my area. Someone don't want the XTX around when the new stuff hits the market :D
 
Hopefully comparing it to the 7900gre means it's that pricing, they also compared 9070 none xt but can't see it being above 5070 MSRP

At £549 that's quite a difference to 5070ti £700+ if talking MSRP also would make it much better buy over 5070

Excited to see all the reviews close together

Most sites will have pretty much finished their 9070 & XT reviews by the time 5070 reviews go live then.

If AMD has priced their cards right, those 5070 reviews are going to be brutal :cry:
 
Yeh. Honestly i think the 5080 is going to struggle to sell (relatively speaking) once the hype dies down. I mean, it's only ~10-15% faster than the 5070ti and has the same vram.

Once prices die down, the 5070ti is going to be a much more attractive proposition at its RRP (compared to the 5080).

Wasnt this similar though from the last gen? I mean the 4080 original was a dog at £1200 and the unlaunched relaunched 12GB edition was price cut only because of the flak it received. None of them cards were particularly well received and only the supers replacing them a year later made it slightly more appealing.
 
85% of gamers buy GPU's under $700.. lmao

Should be under $500.. I think the hype train is about to crash :(

 
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85% of gamers buy GPU's under $700.. lmao

So $699.99? :cry:

So $699 then?
Steady on! AMD ain't made of money to give you that extra 99 cents.
 
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if that is the price, they'll add a package of games and claim the value is ~150 quid. folk will sell their game keys for a few quid and make about 60 quid back and think they've 'won' - this is the way.
The 7900GRE was available for £530 and under in the UK. So 40% more performance for 33% more money.

Steve from HUB was right on the money - $550.

This has to be under £600 at most,because RTX5070TI supply will improve.
 
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The 7900GRE was available for £530 and under in the UK. So 40% more performance for 33% more money.

Steve from HUB was right on the money - $550.

This has to be under £600 at most,because RTX5070TI supply will improve.

Or try to get away with selling it higher while Nvidia don't have the stock and when they do lower the price?
 
The 7900GRE was available for £530 and under in the UK. So 40% more performance for 33% more money.

Steve from HUB was right on the money - $550.

This has to be under £600 at most,because RTX5070TI supply will improve.
oh absolutely, there's no way amd can ask 699 and expect them to sell - but it wouldn't surprise me.
 
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